<p>About double that actually turned out.</p>
<p>Well, AP is saying that 17,000 got in and a few thousand were turned away. Where did you see that 34,000 wanted in, mini?</p>
<p>The traffic police reports on the radio. But, to put in perspective, those turned away were multiple times the number who turned out for Hil.</p>
<p>But I’m not a car hating liberal Democrat.
Get me an electric or similar car that’s roomy and goes 500 miles on a charge and I’m in. 0-60 in 6 or so seconds would be a plus.</p>
<p>Hey, we agree on something! Time for a drink, barrons. :D</p>
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<p>Well…maybe the BART areas. Not the whole Bay Area though. Nothing much on the Peninsula, San Jose, Marin, etc., except some inadequate and inconvenient buses. (not to wander too much off topic!)</p>
<p>Of course, you are right, patient. Having at kid at Berkeley, while living in So Cal, my sense of proportion is all wrong and my scope quite narrow (as in the Berkeley to Oakland airport public transportation… we can’t quite manage the Burbank to coastal home city public transportation. Though on paper it does exist).</p>
<p>Here’s what Obama said today about green energy (while visiting a plumbing/electrical contracting company in Seattle):</p>
<p>from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer:</p>
<p>“Obama said as soon as he wins the nomination he would convene a panel of experts to start working on a new national environmental policy. He promised to make the federal government carbon neutral by 2025 and make America 50 percent more energy efficient by 2030. He said he would personally reach out to the countries with the highest carbon emissions to encourage and help them improve their environmental records.”</p>
<p><a href=“http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420ap_wa_obama_environment.html[/url]”>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420ap_wa_obama_environment.html</a></p>
<p>I took the bus!
We had really good seats too- except nowhere would have been a good place to hear nickles- I can’t stand that man.
However- even though I went to the food circus after- since I hadn’t eaten all day & Obama was delayed for two hours ( apparently touring a company that is run by some boys my mother babysat when she was in high school ;0 )- the streets were still closed and I had to walk quite a ways to find the right bus- poor me :(</p>
<p>Well I have to work on my homework-
Very impressive so many students- I haven’t seen that for quite a while.
I also didn’t know that as long as they will be 18 before the election, they can participate in the caucus.
Pretty cool :)</p>
<p>"“Obama said as soon as he wins the nomination he would convene a panel of experts to start working on a new national environmental policy. He promised to make the federal government carbon neutral by 2025 and make America 50 percent more energy efficient by 2030. He said he would personally reach out to the countries with the highest carbon emissions to encourage and help them improve their environmental records.”</p>
<p>When Congress gets done with that he’ll have a solar powered propeller hat to show for it.</p>
<p>I can’t get over some of these conclusory posts such as “he will be a more effective president” or “I feel he has more character”. Shocking as it may seem not everyone is in lockstep in this country that is where the tension lies in both parties. I will say one thing our getting dug in in our views in this country has not helped. The dismissiveness of BO & HC supporters of each other feels to me just like I felt being dismissed by the Bush administration because I didn’t support his policies. And you know what someone will eke out a victory on the democratic side . And then what ?-the republicans will get behind their guy and fight to the death to defeat our world view. Then the democratic candidate will have to deal with it.Because that is real.</p>
<p>What I’m concerned about is that alot of people are having a really hard time holding on right now. I hope someone helps them because that too is real not opinion mine or yours.</p>
<p>cornfed: The Obama movement is much more than just a nomination process or an election. I doubt that the people he has inspired are going to accept politics as usual. I am actually quite concerned that he may be assassinated before November. But I am sure that his message will continue to resonate for a while and positively impact the country. </p>
<p>If Hillary wins the nomination fair and square then Obama will support her in the November election and with his support she should not have trouble beating McCain. If he wins the nomination I suppose Hillary will support his candidacy too and that will help. If there are some superdelegate shennanigans then things could be bad for the Democrats in November.</p>
<p>He said he would personally reach out to the countries with the highest carbon emissions to encourage and help them improve their environmental records."</p>
<p>Im glad you are concerned about the environment barrons
[whats your carbon footprint](<a href=“http://www.greentagsusa.org/greentags/calculator/”>http://www.greentagsusa.org/greentags/calculator/</a>)?</p>
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<p>I believe that this statement taps into the frustration of a groundswell number of American voters. We are JUST SO TIRED!
of the bickering, gamesmanship, partisanship, win at any cost mentality of the Washington establishment. Can we just put America first? </p>
<p>Please…?
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<p>Not tired of partisanship here. Bipartisanship got us the aggressive, hostile occupation, tax cuts for the rich, global warming and global pollution and the shipping of U.S. jobs abroad, a health care system that is broken for the people who have insurance let alone the 50 million who don’t, the Patriot Act…need I go on?</p>
<p>The last thing we need is more “bipartisanship”.</p>
<p>Ok. The RIGHT kind of bi-partisanship. The constructive kind. But then again, you knew that already, didn’t you, mini?:)</p>
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<p>That’s why we need to elect John McCain - he feels the same way, has been around long enough to understand the problems AND how to actually FIX them!</p>
<p>D how to actually FIX them!</p>
<p>and that would be how? I haven’t heard much that indicates he will be anything more than a bad tempered Shrub</p>
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<p>I’m not sure that’s worse than a non-specific promise to hold hands and sing Kumbaya.</p>
<p>I want complete partisanship in getting the U.S. out of Iraq. I want complete partisanship in getting rid of the tax cuts for the rich. I want complete partisanship in the reform of health care (something that I know won’t happen with Obama). I want complete partisanship in the reorientation of foreign policy, beginning with Iran and Cuba. I want complete partisanship in preventing drilling in ANWAR.</p>
<p>I can think of VERY few issues where I would welcome bipartisanship of any kind. But then, my expectations are very low, especially when it comes to rightwing Democrats.</p>
<p>Going to vote for one in an hour. ;)</p>
<p>ek4-
- He was RIGHT about the need to control spending along w/ tax cuts.
- He was right about Rumsfeld.
- He wants to address environmental issues.
- Unlike other candidates, he has actually DONE something to try to address the problem of illegal immigration.
- He has promised to veto any bill with earmarks.
- We know he will continue his quest to expose corruption in government as he has a long record of doing that & it’s one of his personal objectives.
- He has said he’d follow Bin Laden to the “Gates of Hell” (I think he’ll GET him!).</p>
<p>That’s just a few things that quickly come to mind. You can always check out <a href=“http://www.johnmccain.com%5B/url%5D”>www.johnmccain.com</a> if you want specific answers to your concerns.</p>
<p>More than any other candidate, John McCain has the experience to truly UNDERSTAND the issues facing our country & what is the right thing to DO about them. Sorry but Obama is still wet behind the ears, and Hillary isn’t all that experienced either (not to mention the fact that they would try to move the country closer to Socialism - I think that’s a failed ideology, see USSR).</p>