<p>True, CountingDown, mealplans are expensive. Full-ride FA students pay nothing for their meals, however.</p>
<p>Live it. Then tell me how it works out for you. </p>
<p>There are expenses these students have. Many need dress clothes for interviews and internships, and travel to conferences, and meetings with alumni, and âŠbut you donât want to hear that. You already know that. Travel home has never been more expensive. Computers and peripherals arenât cheap. Copying expenses are not minimal. I could go on and on. None of these things happened in high school. </p>
<p>As I have said throughout, this is the most disturbing and disappointing discussion I have ever seen on CC. It hasnât gotten any better. </p>
<p>Are you totally ignoring the great benefits a college gets from having all walks of life represented? Is there value in socio-economic diversity? What do you want, dull, white, and wealthy? Kill need based aid and thatâs what you have. Is it private socialism? Absolutely. Itâs intended to be . For a few. Just enough to keep congress off their doorsteps. If you are going to the best, you need to attract the best kids from everywhere. Not just Highland Park, Memorial, Grosse Point, and Tiburon. You need the kid from South Texas thatâs friends with mariteâs son. You need the girl from my kidâs school who is a ward of the court.
You wonât get them with yâall in charge. But you will get your kid in, which I guess might be the goal of all of this. Is it?</p>
<p>Edit: Itâs messing up when I try to edit. But I wanted to change few to few of the poorest kids.</p>
<p>one thing to check out- for the next one as I guess it may be a little late if they are starting in sept, is that some schools allow minimal board plans, some require their health ins, others donât & some have co-ops or RA opportunities to lower room and board costs.
A few hundred here and a few thousand there adds up quicker than a couple extra boxes on your cart at Costco.</p>
<p>Wow, you have some anger issues, imo, Curmudgeon. Just because a discussion doesnât go your way doesnât give you the right to insult other people.</p>
<p>Curm, who is âyâallâ? There are almost 300 posts here. Surely we canât ALL be disappointing youâŠ</p>
<p>bay, look whose talking. ;)</p>
<p>And the issue is going just fine thank you.</p>
<p>That particular use of yâall that would be bay and a few others. Not everybody by a long shot. But enough to where my ranking of the thread stands. ;)</p>
<p>And bay, two things. I never called you anything. Look at your words . And , I answered your question, answer mine.</p>
<p>The obligatory link for a thread like this: </p>
<p><a href=âCollege Board - SAT, AP, College Search and Admission Toolsâ>College Board - SAT, AP, College Search and Admission Tools;
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<p>What was the question?</p>
<p>Please direct me to which of my words I should look at.</p>
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I insulted no one. I was rude to no one. You ramped it up with your accusations, not me. It is a tactic often seen on the 'net but I am not a noob.</p>
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Thatâs why I think you are very out of touch with the lives of the less privileged in our society. You really think that low income parents have been paying for all of that stuff? I am wondering if you can fathom what a huge help and relief it was to me when my son was in high school and got a job with a pizzaria where he could eat on the job, rather than at home ⊠and where he sometimes was able to bring home unclaimed pizzas and feed the whole family. And weâre not poor ⊠but the point is that in many families, the high school kid is using after school employment to help subsidize household expenses as well as to pay their own way.</p>
<p>So bottom line: at a certain level of family income (maybe around ~$35-$40K?), the transition to college means the departure of a wage-earning contributor to the household. The âincidentalsâ part of the COA calculated by the college is rarely enough to cover all expenses⊠and the break point at which the parent will cover the difference is probably above the typical breakpoint at which a handful of elite colleges give that kid a break on loans.</p>
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Here are the questions, bay. You can go back and read the rest of the post for context. </p>
<p>Iâm genuinely interested in why all the antipathy for need based aid? From where does the hatred come? Do you object to what some call âgovernment giveaway programsâ, too? Like AFDC? Rent assistance? Food stamps? Medicaid?</p>
<p>Where I come from, telling someone to âdream onâ in response to a legitimate statement, is rude. </p>
<p>Answering your questions: No. Yes. No. But I have not been addressing any of those issues any where in this thread, so I donât understand how you concluded that those questions even apply to me.</p>
<p>Intimating that my postings were only concerned with âgetting my kid inâ was insulting. I donât even have a kid trying to get in anywhere right now.</p>
<p>Iâm genuinely interested in why all the antipathy for need based aid? From where does the hatred come? Do you object to what some call âgovernment giveaway programsâ, too? Like AFDC? Rent assistance? Food stamps? Medicaid?</p>
<p>What âhatredâ are you talking about Curm?? Seriously, you need to go back and read my posts, because you are conjuring something out of absolutely nothing.</p>
<p>Once is all I needed, thanks.</p>
<p>Without your answers I think Iâm done here. If you ver do want to discuss your dislike of need based aid, p.m. me. </p>
<p>I donât like how itâs applied. But as an unfulfilled concept, it is one of the finest things we have in American higher education. We need more of it, not less.</p>
<p>Well I reread them. In a nutshell, I wondered why all FA students are not given loans. I felt OP deserved some compassion for his frustration in paying for college. And I questioned why certain expenses would require a loan in college when they must have been paid for while the child lived at home. I have absolutely no hatred for the less-fortunate, and I welcome anyone to point to anything I have written that shows otherwise.</p>
<p>What does it matter if some kids get a break on loans? My kids colleges didnât give any break to lower income students for loans ⊠like 99% of colleges, financial aid packages are built from loans up, and as far as I know, the lower income students get stuck with even MORE loans. But I donât think the OP is looking for a break on loans â sounds to me that OP wants a break on price.</p>
<p>O.K. Bay, do you want a mulligan on that last challenge? </p>
<p>How about this gem. Itâs a tasty bit .
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<p>Hmmm. Seems to me that you are not a fan of need based grants. ;)</p>
<p>I see the quote, but I donât see any hatred for the less fortunate in it. The concept makes sense to me. </p>
<p>Years ago, I received college loans that I repaid over a period of 15 years. I was and am proud of the fact that I paid for much of my education myself. I donât see any shame or unfairness it in.</p>