The Misguided War on the SAT

The schools’ curriculum is not determined by the college board. High school may be a training ground for the SATs at some schools BUT, that is not what they are supposed to be focused on. That is why a GPA is the proper metric.

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Serious question: what are the schools like where you live? Do they only teach pottery and interpretive dance? Theres no logical consistency to your posts. No offense.

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I keep thinking about the Texas A&M thread from this past admission cycle. If you are in the top 10% of your high school class in the state of Texas, you are an auto-admit to Texas A&M. I remember one student who posted that they had a 4.0 UW GPA, but were not in the top 10% of their high school class to be an auto-admit. If more than 1 out of 10 students at that school have perfect GPAs, what is that really telling us about any of those students? They are all flawless? I know a salutatorian from a private high school who didn’t have a 4.0 UW GPA. Is she behind every public school student with a 4.0 UW GPA?

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Perhaps this student didn’t take any weighted classes, or took fewer weighted classes than their classmates did. My understanding is that Texas high schools use weighted GPA to establish top 10% in class, not unweighted GPA.

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Is algebra too high of a hurdle for a potential college student??

Depends on which algebra you mean. Apparently there are different kinds.

Algebra as contained in a GPA is ok and worthy.

Algebra as contained in an SAT score? Doesn’t count.

Them’s different algebras.

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Well, many schools use math curricula were 2+2 may not necessarily have a deterministic solution. So, in fact, there may be different algebras :rofl:

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What is on the SAT is a fraction of what a high school teaches from languages, to chemistry, to physed, to history to music etc…none of which is on an SAT exam. And we all know that there are schools that bypass curriculums or cut corners on certain subjects to train their students for SATs.

Just basic high school math, writing, reading, and comprehension.

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We do? That is not the strategy of any elite private school that I know.

This seems far fetched since the SAT isnt a huge determinant in the college application process.

What schools?

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SAT is not completely adaptive. It is only multistage or 2 stage adaptive

By using a holistic process that takes into account the context of the high school, the specific courses taken and the rigor of the courses.

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So the correlation between income and SAT scores isn’t a fact?

Are you claiming that there is no implicit bias in the SAT?

On the other hand, nobody is claiming that any of the other factors that colleges are considering is unbiased. The SATs are the only factors for which this claim has been made.

The only factors that are consistently designated as "very important, across all colleges that have the SAT requirement (except Harvard), are GPA, Rigor, and test scores.

Based on the Chetty articles, SATs are not as important as wealth, but only in cases of extreme wealth. Anything below the top 5% doesn’t help. But you won’t find that on the CDS…

Harvard is simply setting up their admission standards so that they can choose kids based on the kid’s chances of being wealthy, power, and/or famous, without actually worrying about whether these kids meet and specific standard that was set for any of the admission factors.

No, it’s not. While it is a given that the College Board’s analyses will focus on the results that support the use of SATs, it was also assumed that their analysis would still be honest, and that those results can be trusted. Their behavior regarding selling data calls their overall honesty into question, and raises the question of whether their analyses can indeed be trusted.

Claim of Red Herring, meet actual Hyperbole.

I m actually curious what you think the average SAT score is for students is in the USA, that you think that the SATs are no more difficult that “2+2=4”?

Yes and no. It’s basic if you attend a high school in an affluent high school district which has all the required Science, English, and Math, Honors classes, and APs. Many high school serving low income kids don’t even have the classes that you are considering “basic”.

GPA and rigor have bias as well. When a kid has no quiet space to do homework, has to work a job, has to care for their younger siblings, does not have access to rigorous classes at the school they attend, doesn’t have a parent that can help with homework not to mention no tutor etc — that doesn’t just impact SATs, it impacts GPA and rigor. Other “Very Important” factors have bias, not just the SAT.

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It is a red herring, one you fell for since you’re now talking about it, instead of the validity and utility of standardized testing.

Simply because one can earn a living from providing a service, it doesn’t necessarily follow that the service provided is dishonest.

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Nevermind.

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It’s pretty basic to a lot of people, affluent, poor, or otherwise. Some people just got “it”, ya know?

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Since doctors accept payment for their services, does this mean that they don’t care about their patients’ health?

They partnered with Khan Academy to do just that.

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