The Misguided War on the SAT

Ha! True. But he pledged to give them $500M… so, there’s that.

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Get rid of standardized tests, and get rid of gpa. Get rid of any measure of aptitude. Select incoming classes via bingo ball drawing. Wouldn’t be very diverse to exclude those of average or middling intellect anyway. What about their perspectives and experiences?

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Not sure what’s going on here, but Elon Musk is way off topic, and so is politics. Please stay on topic, and take debates to pm.

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Yes! I’ve won another supporter for the lottery system - the only fair way to select the leaders of the future. Don’t let silly measures of academic capabilities get in the way… :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I am not sure anyone is arguing against measures of academic ability. People just have different views on how to most accurately gauge this and which tools are effective and which might be problematic for various reasons.

But of course you know this…

She was not asking for an explanation of what is going on here. So those posts “explaining” were deleted

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Long story short, posts that violate ToS are subject to deletion without comment.

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Things that make ya go hmmmmmm…

I just deleted a bunch of off topic posts. So I’m temporarily slowing down this thread.

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Let’s move the conversation off MCAT and med school admissions. While an interesting topic, it’s one that warrants a separate discussion. Several more posts deleted.

Additionally per ToS, discussion of moderator actions and rules is off -limits on the forums. Those discussions need to be addressed to the admin via email.

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Highly selective has some very “negative connotations”. The SAT’s are a barrier to entry. Each school has a right to decide whether they want to go that route or not and it should be a choice by school. The argument of “every school” should go that route is nonsense. Not every school has the same objective of what they want their students to get out of their education. Education includes the social and spiritual and self-awareness.

I am all for letting private institutions do what they want. Personally, over the next few years, I expect the vast majority of private highly selective institutions to shift back to requiring standardized test scores. We’ll see if I am right.

As for public flagship universities that run on taxpayer money, they need to have fairness & transparency, and the best way to have a fair admissions process is by utilizing standardized tests.

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No idea what you mean.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/

Speechless.

It was a joke. It’s ok if you don’t find it funny.

I might find it funny if I understood it :upside_down_face:


Your link is to the Chronicle generally. Anything particular you had in mind?

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Article on Palo Alto school district deciding grades should focus on academic achievement for a change.

This article?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/schools-grading-palo-alto-19381470.php

I’ve read it but wouldn’t necessarily recognize by your description. What is it that leaves you speechless?

That high school students currently receive grades based on something other than their academic achievement. What a travesty. Another reason we need standardized tests ( which don’t rely on attendance, extra credit, or cleaning the classroom) as an actual measure of something.

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We’ve discussed this issue before. It sounds like a reframing of the approach sometimes referred to “Grading for Equity” where grading for “mastery of material” is given precedence over issues such as attendance, homework, deadlines, behavior, etc. From the SFC article:

It’s a debate districts are having across the Bay Area and the country, given increasing concerns over grade inflation, racial inequities on report cards and at the most basic level, whether an A means students actually mastered the subject matter or simply showed up and didn’t make waves.

Here’s a thread where you chimed in on the issue . . .

Discussion of this article might fit better there or in a new thread.

Lol, of course it matters.

Certain firms only recruit from certain places and other firms only recruit from people who’ve worked at those firms in the first place = There are a whole list of jobs that the average person simply will never have access to.

It’s fine though - college is a filter. Colleges that don’t filter correctly i.e. standardized testing will slowly fall in recruiting importance.

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