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<p>lol. riiiiight. Perhaps you could remind everyone which state was decided by 1 vote? Are you intentionally exporting voters to other states? Was this your family goal when you had children?</p>
<p>Where I live, there are always extremely important, highly local issues to be decided on every ballot. It is simply unreasonable to assume that these matters would legitimately be on the radar of even a fraction of college students whose permanent residence is elsewhere. It’s wrong to dilute the voices of local voters who are invested in their communities, and are properly prepared (as they should be) to participate in the democratic process.</p>
<p>I think Mr Jefferson would disagree with you, Ms. Spidey.</p>
<p>it is even more enraging to assume that college students will be uninformed. If they are uninformed, then encourage their informedness, geez.</p>
<p>Let’s just restrict voting to the college-educated because they are the most informed about anything amirite??? </p>
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<p>Why, thank you for spitting in the face of thousands of my peers who work every day to better the community they happen to not only go to school in, but actually you know, spend some of the best years of their lives in.</p>
<p>Thank you for spitting in the face of my residential college’s president and also the president of my school’s Taiwanese Student Association who have been most of the college careers have been encouraging students in allied organisations to vote for measures that would strengthen the arts community in the city and measures that would allow city’s disadvantaged quarter (25% of the city lives below the poverty line) to improve themselves in the Jeffersonian vision.</p>
<p>Thanks for spitting in the face of student innovation and design groups who come from architecture, engineering, anthropology, education, among others to create better solutions for the city and the surrounding county; the Iraqi refugees in the city – who by the way, the “locals” would have totally ignored EXCEPT through student channels!</p>
<p>Thank you, thank you so so much. We should all accept your blatant blanket generalization of college students as apathetic myopic self-interested narcissistic irrational sheep who obviously treat their college town as some guest house they can trash. Obviously. Just because your generation was ignorant enough to have acted like that doesn’t mean ours will. I’m sorry for being so hostile, but how can I such blatant generalisations about my peers? You know nothing about us and our attachments to our communities. nothing.</p>
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<p>The guy who owns the dry cleaners? No way. As a small business owner, he would definitely agree.</p>
<p>I think you missed the content portion of my post, btw. You veered off way into the land of drama. The train has left the tracks. Call maintenance.</p>
<p>[People</a> | Piedmont Council for the Arts](<a href=“http://charlottesvillearts.org/people/]People”>http://charlottesvillearts.org/people/)</p>
<p>excluding the old geezer board of directors – which by the way is made up of progressive business leaders from the community, I wonder why three of the four people listed on the Piedmont Arts Council are former or current students from out of state! I mean, especially when they have had careers in New York City! I thought we students were too apathetic to care! One of them is my fourth year friend! How random is that!</p>
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<p>on the contrary, you have missed mine. You are trying to slander my peers and paint them in an unfavourable light as individuals unsuitable for participating in the local political process, and I have presented many examples to the contrary. </p>
<p>your generalisations are hurtful when many students do actively and passionately care about their communities.</p>
<p>also unlike your generation, our student leaders constantly bombard us with listserv emails, facebook messages, student press editorials, chalk and all sorts of distribution schemes to galvanise us. You cannot believe during election time how many collective emails are sent out concerning local politics alone. </p>
<p>Since these student leaders actually WORK and collaborate with many city leaders, they are likely to be informed of which candidates will bring the most progress to the city and which candidates will not, and if there is a dispute, there is the free market of ideas. We are more likely to be informed than your generation ever was.</p>
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<p>I receive a large number of emails at work and personally. I ignore the vast majority of these. I don’t do facebook as I consider it a waste of time. I was working until 2:00 AM this morning on a project and will probably be in that mode for a while. I checked my son’s email account and he was working until a little after midnight last night on a course project.</p>
<p>The younger generation must think that most people like to be bombarded with emails for their products or their causes. Buy something or donate to a cause and receive marketing email from them every week (or sometimes more frequently) for the rest of your life. Sometimes these get so annoying that I just mark them as spam</p>
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<p>Information is not knowledge and understanding. Life experience adds to information and puts it in context.</p>
<p>We hire a lot of young graduates and they all go through a major growth period in what they learn about our work and about living from the folks that have been around for a while. I’ve never run into a new hire that thinks that they know it all, both in terms of the work that we do and in terms of running their lives. We’ve hired a lot of Phds lately and one thing that Phds know is how little they really know.</p>
<p>Mail from orgs and student leaders are different in class than random invitations to random causes. For one, they usually actually involve physical participation and not button clicking. Last week, student elections for one of my cultural organisations was a town-hall style meeting and lasted eight hours from 5 pm to 1 am – comparatively short to the usual twelve-hour ones, because for our org we care about ensuring we have the right people for the job.</p>
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<p>I don’t get what this has to do with voting. Yes there is always more to be learned from the right people, but still I do not get why we – who put in much investment into the communities we live in – should be disenfranchised in favour of some redneck from Keswick who couldn’t tell Adam Smith from his Adam’s apple.</p>
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This creates problems for the town of Durham since most UNH students do not have a comprehensive understanding of the issues facing the community off campus. HB 176 is not an attempt to discriminate against college students; rather, it is an attempt to make college students vote in their hometown where they better understand the issues and actually know the names on the ballot.</p>
<p>Huh? Since when is having a comprehensive understanding of anything a pre-requisite for voting? Heck, that’s not even required for running for office–even for president or vice president.</p>
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<p>Okay. Let’s make a list of life experiences required before allowing a citizen to vote. Care to start this list? </p>
<p>Please don’t pretend this is anything but an attempt to kill the youth vote. Which is pathetic, since the youth vote turnout is so low. Of course, the conservative block understands that that might change for the '12 elections. Which is also pathetic given that it’s very difficult to discern the differences in policies between Obama and the former administration.</p>
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<p>[Roughnecks</a> and Rednecks; Life in the Oil Fields.](<a href=“http://www.texasescapes.com/N-Ray-Maxie/Roughnecks-and-Rednecks.htm]Roughnecks”>Roughnecks and Rednecks; Life in the Oil Fields.)</p>
<p>As someone who lives in an area with a large university student voting block I find this to be a reasonable restriction. University students are ‘in town’ for 4-5 years. Yes, they may eventually make their university town their home, but many (most) will not. As such, to grant voting rights to students based on temporary residency skews results. An entire city or county can have major changes enforced by a voting body which has a very small likely hood of having to live with the consequences. And, (ohhh I’m going out on a shaky limb here) the idealism of a voting block still predominantly supported by their parents or accruing loans they’ve not had to face the reality of repaying will skew the political balance in communities.</p>
<p>The university gets non-profit status which deprives the city or town of needed tax revenues. How many students have argued for taxation of their universities to pay for the municipal services that they use?</p>
<p>BTW, in general, I really don’t care much for these things. To the winners go the spoils. That’s our political system. I guess that you can complain about it but everyone on the inside plays the game and then displays shock and outrage when the other side does it.</p>
<p>Areas with military bases also have large transient populations. Farmworkers, too. Young people, settling down to a career and trying to find a long-term job. Young academics trying to get tenure, or moving from postdoc to postdoc. Residents of retirement homes and communities. We don’t put restrictions on where these people can vote, telling them that they should be voting from their hometown or that they won’t be invested in their community if they move on after four or five years so their opinions are unwelcome. Individual university students may move on, but there will always be a large undergrad population. They have every right to have their interests considered, and to vote those interests. </p>
<p>As far as taking out large loans, there are areas here in California and many other states where the majority of homes are underwater. Entire neighborhoods have been turned into ghost towns because of foreclosures. Maybe we should have another rule that anyone who’s declared bankruptcy or walked away from a mortgage shouldn’t be allowed to vote, because they’re not going to have to live with the consequences of their votes, either. While we’re at it, we can check people’s credit scores before they vote. We can set a cutoff score which indicates respectibility and sober thoughtfulness. If you come in over, say, 750, you get to vote. As long as we’re checking credit scores, let’s test people to see if they actually know anything about the measures they’re voting on. Have they read the proposition, newspaper articles, the pro and con arguments in the voter’s pamphlet? Can they demonstrate that they are properly prepared to exercise their democratic right to vote in an informed manner? </p>
<p>I could swear we’ve been down this road before in the last 240 years. Something about poll taxes, and literacy tests, and extending the franchise beyond landed white males.</p>
<p>Great post ST.</p>
<p>To me any effort to increase voter participation is to be lauded … if Dems bus college students to the polls more power to them … same for the Repubs for busing senior citizens to the polls … as long as legitimate voters are being helped I have no issue with a party helping a group that will likely vote in their favor in net. </p>
<p>That said I think any effort to limit legitimate votes is dispicable. In this case I can see some grey where perhaps citizens from all states should be treated the same (either way) … however it also seems this effort is a much more local effort to prevent people from voting locally.</p>
<p>Slitheytove you rock my world. Kinda sounds like the old phrase: Don’t pee on my leg and then tell me it’s raining.</p>
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<p>I think you need to revisit the definition of the word “slander”. Also, look for reading clue words such as “most” or “all” to better reading comprehension. Lastly, it is important to maintain a civil and level-headed tone in order to respectfully participate in debate (so important to democracy). :)</p>
<p>BTW, who are you accusing when you made this statement? Be specific.:
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<p>My D changed her voter registration in order to vote in her college town in '08. She was involved in the campaigns at both the local and national level so it made sense for her to vote where she was volunteering. When she went to the registrar to check on the change, she was given so much grief, she came out in tears. Luckily, I was visiting that weekend and was waiting in the car so they got a visit from someone who was not going to leave in tears and was not going to fall for the suggestion that it was voter fraud. I told the registrar I only wanted one thing - for it to be as easy for the kids from this college to register as it was for the kids at Liberty University to register in Lynchburg. The red carpet was put out for the Liberty kids with no report of road blocks. That was not the case in Charlottesville, Harrisonburg or Williamsburg. The disparity was appalling. Several of my D’s friends decided not to register because of the suggestion by the registrar that they were doing something wrong.</p>
<p>^^^^^^^^Despicable, and not at all surprising. Thanks for speaking up, Cartera45.</p>
<p>I thought that there was a Supreme Court case that allows college students to vote in either their hometowns or where they attend college. Despite a long history of voting rights violations, the state where my university is located actively encourages students to register to vote in the college town. I vote in my home state and have never been asked for ID when voting because I registered by mail and since almost all of my home state’s counties are 100% vote-by-mail, I haven’t had to show my ID at a polling place.</p>