The retirement age? 70 to 80?

<p>H says they have laid off a LOT of long-term contactors at his workplace, many of them who do excellent work because of budget crunches. I asked him who is supposed to do the work they were doing and he has absolutely no idea. He says there will be some big meetings coming up to work these things out, but it sounds like a mess to me. </p>

<p>Additionally, his workplace anticipates MANY of their most senior staff (30-40+ years experience) will be retiring by the end of 2012, so things will be very unsettled moving into 2013. There has been very little to no mentoring (even though this mass retirement is expected), so literally hundreds of years of institituional memory is going out the door.</p>

<p>“I always thought that after I retire, I’d like to work part-time in a bookstore. Light work, something to keep me intellectually engaged, and I love being around books. Too bad bookstores seem to be a dying breed.”</p>

<p>I would like that too. Elderly people work in bookstores. Borders closed here. Many elderly people lost their jobs.</p>

<p>Most of the elderly people that I see working are at Home Depot - they actually had programs to hire older employees many years ago:</p>

<p>“A partnership between the world’s largest home improvement retailer and the AARP will tap into the older work force for new employees. It will provide training and an easier application process to recruit a more senior staff.”</p>

<p>““We have a need for qualified employees. We’re looking for people who have the experience, the skills, the knowledge and the passion,” said Dennis Donovan, Home Depot’s executive vice president for human resources.”</p>

<p>[Home</a> Depot targets older workers for hire | savannahnow.com | Savannah Morning News](<a href=“http://savannahnow.com/stories/020704/EXC_homedepot.shtml]Home”>http://savannahnow.com/stories/020704/EXC_homedepot.shtml)</p>

<p>At Costco, there are some older workers as well. One of my favorites there is a retired veteran. He also retired from Costco but then came back–I think he missed the people–customers & co-workers. :slight_smile: Personally, I would be physically unable (and therefore unwilling) to hold a job that required me to stand for many hours/day; H & kids have similar physical limitations.</p>

<p>Some seniors work and/or volunteer at libraries. There is a lot of need there as well. :)</p>

<p>^Apparent in our city as High Schoolers and college students have very hard time obtaining volunteering positions. Some of them have long waiting lists.</p>

<p>One of the issues with volunteers is their commitment is highly variable. You can expend a lot of time & energy training them only to have them not show up or move on and leave you short and having to recruit and train more. This also applies somewhat to part-time employees. Turnover is a big issue in trying to staff pretty much anything–you can end up with too much staff (rare) or not enough (common), rarely a middle ground.</p>

<p>My first day of retirement.</p>

<p>I said to my wife, "Are you going to be mad because I am sitting around and not working?</p>

<p>My wife said, “No. Do whatever you want. Enjoy yourself. Be happy. Do things you haven’t been able to do because you were working. Do more things like joining a gym. Whatever you want.”</p>

<p>What can I say after that response? :)</p>

<p>I am not going to drop dead after a year of retirement. It is so relaxing.</p>

<p>I had to run an errand. Walked an hour each way. Later walked another hour and a half. I just got home, and my daughter said, “Let’s go. Let’s go on a 2 hour walk before dinner”.</p>

<p>I am tired now. </p>

<p>But what can I say? </p>

<p>I can’t say no to my daughter. :)</p>

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I give that about a month. :D</p>

<p>dstark, just saw your post about your first day of retirement. I don’t know whether to commiserate, or congratulate you. You expected it the end of October though, right? So it’s not a total shock I think?</p>

<p>I don’t know if you every read the comics, but go back to the last strip for Calvin and Hobbes. That just says it all. Good luck to you.</p>

<p>Here’s what I wrote (for a homeschool magazine) my first day of retirement: (forgive if I’ve posted elsewhere before - my memory was going before I retired)</p>

<p>August 1st:</p>

<p>This is my first day in retirement. Whoopee!</p>

<p>I get up exactly the same time I always do. Take my vitamins, feed the canary, throw the dog a toy. All as usual. Check my e-mail. Watch a little too much of what passes for news on cable, enough to raise the blood pressure just a little. All as is customary thus far.</p>

<p>Linger a little bit longer over a cup of coffee. I could like this! Say goodbye to my wife Ellen as she girds up her loins to go take care of her dying patients, and comfort their families, at which she is very adept. (No, she isn’t an “angel”, she’s a human, which is even better!) Go out and look at the farmlet (seven raised beds and a greenhouse). Admire the newly painted house. </p>

<p>I pinch myself. </p>

<p>The reality is that I really had to retire, as I have far too much work to do. My daily e-mail is full of messages from Kenya, Burundi, India, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Madagascar, Zimbabwe, all crying out for my attention, as we seek to help people ensure their own safe drinking water, even as I endeavor to build global community. Then I’ve got mail from homeschoolers – from Edmonton to Madrid. And sometimes these overlap, as I work to train homeschooling families to help out with our global mission. And then I have to find money, hint, hint. ([Home[/url</a>] )</p>

<p>All of that is going to wait. Today I’m going downtown. In the daytime! I’m going to reacquaint myself with my town – where I’ve lived for more than 20 years – in the daytime! I’m not looking to purchase anything, or go to the bank, or visit a coffeeshop, or meet up with someone and have lunch (might happen though!) Just go for a long walk.</p>

<p>In my town, in the daytime, probably not too different from your town, there are lawyers lawyering, carpenters carpentering, accountants doing the books, vets caring for sick animals and doctors for sick people. Music stores are selling drumsticks and harmonicas, bakers are baking, and bookstores (those that still exist) are still attempting to sell books (I wonder if they’ll have mine.) The auto mechanics are under the cars (though in the auto mall, they’re called “technicians”), painters are up on ladders, architects and engineers and builders are pouring over the blueprints for a new building. Welders welding. Maybe I’ll get a haircut. Bankers, well they do what bankers do. Plumbers are fixing drains, electricians the wiring, and ecologists are restoring streams. Real estate and insurance agents are trying to drum up business. Pawn shops are a-pawning. Gemologists and haberdashers are hawking their wares. Local farmers are setting up their stalls at the farmers’ market. I can buy fishing tackle or a bouquet of flowers, take my computer in to get fixed (heaven forbid!), or see if I can get someone to come over and take a look at my leaky refrigerator, if I had one. Municipal court is in session.</p>

<p>It’s great world out there, one that I rarely saw during my 20 years in the office. Oh, I occasionally took a day off, or ran an errand to have my dumbphone repaired, or to get some paint chips so we could choose colors for one of the kids’ rooms. But I never got to see my town in any intentional way, or to go out of my way to meet the people who spent their days therein. Except Saturdays – when they do sell stuff. </p>

<p>Of course, this is also true of the kids in the dayjail, those occupying the land of the Lilliputian chairs and desks, and those sentenced and confined to hormonal hell with their fellow cellmates. After school, it will be homework or soccer practice. Some day they’ll be asked to choose an occupation or profession from among those practiced by the people I see in the daytime, with the vast majority having no real sense of what most of them do or how people get to do them, or that there really is much in the way of choices.</p>

<p>Occasionally, though rarely, I used to walk downtown at night. Sometime between 6 and 8 p.m., they roll up the sidewalks, and, except for a movie theater and a couple of restaurants mostly more than half empty, my town becomes one big tavern. It’s the same in most towns in America, from what I can tell. Not a tavern in the sense of a medieval tavern, in which business was conducted. Tavern as in locus for drunkenness, or near so, or a search for cheap (or not so cheap) sex, or just something in the way of human companionship. Isn’t that what the kids locked up in the dayjail get to see as well, though lacking the adult card, they are forbidden entry inside? Is it in any way surprising then that many 14 and 15 year olds see the activity of the tavern in their town as the quintessential adult activity, and seek to emulate it? Short of that, since the only the time they get to see the town during the daytime is on weekends, is it any wonder that many are simply obsessed with buying stuff? </p>

<p>Perhaps the biggest advantage that homeschoolers have over the kids in the box is that we own the daytime. The world is our oyster. The town is ours, and the country, too. The world is full of wonderful people doing wonderful things – most of them in the daytime. Find ways to turn your community into an adventure. If you are part of a homeschooling group, help your kids construct a treasure hunt in town – with the treasures being not just in particular places, but in the possession of specific people. (People are the real treasures in our town…and in every town.) Teach your kids how to do community interviewing (Doug Lipman’s essay in my book The Healing Heart~Communities will show you how to do it – here’s another great article from Doug - [url=&lt;a href=“http://storydynamics.com/Articles/Education/interviewing.html]Teaching”&gt;http://storydynamics.com/Articles/Education/interviewing.html]Teaching</a> Interviewing Skills Through Story Games](<a href=“http://www.friendlywaterfortheworld.com%5DHome%5B/url”>http://www.friendlywaterfortheworld.com) ), practice at the local senior center or at a nursing home, and then take it out into your town. Make a community scrapbook with the stories of the people who make your town a great place to live. Seek out mentoring relationships, and apprenticeships (and share notes with other homeschooling families). Have your children take interesting people out to lunch! (and you can come along).</p>

<p>Almost needless to say, once you and your children start to do this, the tavern and what it stands for is going to lose most of whatever allure it might have had. And the kids may begin to have some inkling of where their learning might lead them, with the time, energy, and effort to get them where they want to go.</p>

<p>Best of all? I’ll meet you all there! I’m free! (if I’m not in Ethiopia).</p>

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<p>P.S. In the nighttime, make sure the kids get enough sleep.</p>

<p>(P.P.S. Dstark - I’ve got work for you - when can you start?)</p>

<p>Notrichenough, you may be right. I expect good days and bad days. I think there will be some days my wife sees me around the house and gets mad. Overall, I expect more good days.</p>

<p>Hayden, I did expect being let go. I thought it might even happen in July. Still, when I got the phone call telling me my time was up, I was angry. “Who are you to tell me this is my last day?” I have this issue. I don’t like being told what to do? I was my own boss most of my life, and… I was my best boss. :)</p>

<p>Mini, I love your post as usual. I can relate to sections of your post. I did the walking today. Looked around. Wondered why this building was
here? Why this business was there? Who is in a rush? Who looks happy? Sad? </p>

<p>I am a walker. I have been walking 3 to occasionally 15 miles a
day…almost every day for 40 years. Since I started walking to high school because I hated taking the bus. My grandfather was a big walker. Walked 7 miles a day into his 80’s. He walked faster than
me. Really.</p>

<p>I used to walk along Irving st, Noriega st, Taraval st, for those that know the Sunset District of SF. I used to love looking at all the small stores. How do they survive? Or that store is cool. Looked at the real estate ads in the windows of real estate offices. Who could afford $80,000 for a house? Lol</p>

<p>Mini, I love what you do. I love your enthusiasm. We share this world and this time and you make this place a better world. </p>

<p>I am going to explore. Nooks and crannies. Whatever exists in my neighborhood, and neighborhoods nearby. Hayden, I appreciate the heads up. The Calvin and Hobbes cartoon.</p>

<p>That is exactly what I am going to do. Explore.</p>

<p>Mini, has found his passion. Hayden, and notrichenough, what are your stories?</p>

<p>I have a theory, people choose to retire when subconsciously they feel slightly slowed down or have chest tightness they ignore. They then retire and have a fatal MI. The retirement did not kill them, the retirement happened because they were not feeling 100%. This is kind of like infidelity did not cause the divorce, the desire for divorce caused the infidelity…but that is another thread…thoughts on the heart attack theory anyone?</p>

<p>Interesting theories.</p>

<p>I don’t know if I buy the first theory about heart attacks.</p>

<p>I do think the second theory is true for many.</p>

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<p>Walking speed predicts life expectancy.</p>

<p>[Walking</a> Speed Predicts Life Expectancy of Older Adults: Scientific American](<a href=“http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=walking-speed-survival]Walking”>http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=walking-speed-survival)
[JAMA</a> Network | JAMA: The Journal of the American Medical Association | Gait Speed and Survival in Older Adults](<a href=“http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=644554]JAMA”>http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=644554)</p>

<p>I wonder how runners do.</p>

<p>My dad walks so fast at 87 that many people have to nearly jog to keep up! His natural pace has always been brisk. Mine and mom’s has always been consistent but not as fast as his. Guess he’s likely to live past 100, like his uncle. ;)</p>

<p>Ucbalumnus, I don’t know how you found that link. Pretty amazing.</p>

<p>I was driving along 30 th ave in SF and I saw this old guy walking. I could not believe how fast that old guy was walking. Blazing. And when I got close to him, I saw it was my grandfather. He was in his early 80’s at that time. When he was 88, and he walked his 7 miles ending up at city hall, he broke his hip. Some lady was in a rush. My grandfather was standing on some stairs. The lady knocked into my grandfather and knocked him down the stairs, breaking his hip. He was never the same. Shortly thereafter, he developed terminal cancer. He was supposed to die in 6 months. He lived another 4 years. He was in massive pain, but the cancer didn’t kill him. Pneumonia finally killed him. He was supposed to
die in about 5 days. Took more than 2 weeks.</p>

<p>He was a strong guy. Really nice guy.</p>

<p>Himom, that is good genes. It’s nice to have good genes.:)</p>

<p>Well, I had a heart attack six weeks after I “retired” from my job. Was tired all the time and wanted to save my energy for actually living vs. drudging through the day. Everyone – me, my oncologist, my primary doc, the cardiologist who did an echo the week before I left work – all thought the fatigue was chemo-related. </p>

<p>Purely anecdotal, but I have wondered the same thing.</p>

<p>“Walking speed predicts life expectancy”</p>

<p>That’s good to know. I’ll stop trying to slow down. I’ve always been a fast walker, walk very quickly everywhere. I can’t help it. Annoys my husband, who thinks it looks stupid, like I’m always in a hurry. I got a glimpse of myself in a mirror the other day, he’s right, it does look stupid. But now I’ll keep walking fast (as long as he’s not there).</p>

<p>Maybe I’ll check out those places that you walk, dstark, the next time I’m in SFO. I was really disappointed the last time I had a layover there, because SFO is such a great walking town, nice hills and pretty views. I used to walk for miles. But the last time I was there, it was so crowded everywhere I walked. Dirty, homeless on every corner. I saw more vomit than I’ve seen since a high school party, even saw one guy in the act. I was really disappointed, and obviously in the wrong part of town to go walking.</p>