<p>Re #138</p>
<p>The Charlie Brown voice is actually what I was thinking…;)</p>
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<p>No it actually puts him in bad shape…if he can’t figure out this is how the man he has a spiritual relationship and saw weekly at church feels, will he just believe Ahlmendijad when he says nope we’re not building nukes</p>
<p>Quote: " I wonder what Al Gore is thinking?"</p>
<p>Al Gore is hoping that it is a long hot hot summer…:)</p>
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<p>I just want to be clear… does this mean that you disagree with all liberation theologies and believe them all to be nonsense?</p>
<p>Actually, the speech replay is on right now.</p>
<p>The question is how NC is going to go, it will be very interesting to see polling numbers. </p>
<p>Obama has not only taken this hit from a leader of his church, but now Sharpton is after him. Dukakis has also come out supporting Obama, but saying his campaign is in trouble. Then in my opinion the final nail is Carter coming out and supporting Wright.</p>
<p>Obama has taken 90-97% of the African American vote, if the African American community starts to swing in Hillary’s favor(even if she only pulls 75% that is huge), it will be hard for the super delegates to say give it Obama</p>
<p>Obama was a member of this church on 9/11/2001.</p>
<p>It defies credibility that he could attend this church in the weeks following 9/11 and not know this his preacher was blaming the attacks on the US.</p>
<p>Obama has spoken repeatedly of the AIDS and black churches. It defies all credibility that he had not heard his preacher hypothesize that the US government created the AIDS virus to kill black people.</p>
<p>Obama is lying.</p>
<p>Obama had “vetted” his preacher. That’s why his campaign pulled Wright off the invocation duties at the Springfield announcement.</p>
<p>The problem wasn’t the lack of vetting. The problem was that Obama figured his toadies in the media would keep it all covered up and hush hush, just like Rezko buying his driveway and yard for him.</p>
<p>Duck & Cover. The sniper fire will not stop until the fat lady sings…</p>
<p>I really hope Obama pulls this out…he will get destroyed in Nov</p>
<p>Lax:</p>
<p>He’s got it in the bag. Howard Dean, Donna Brazille, and the entire DNC will make sure of it. Dean’s already stacked the rules committee. If it comes down to it, the DNC will simply pass a rule refusing to seat any Clinton delegates at the convention, just like they threw out the DNC’s rulebook in refusing to sit Florida and Michigan.</p>
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<p>Really? Now, Barack…wasn’t that disowning him this afternoon?</p>
<p>Interesteddad, from what I’m hearing the Clinton superdelegates are saying, “She’s in. The Obama followers will have to vote for her. They won’t vote for McCain.” I think they could very well just sit out this election in protest, don’t you?</p>
<p>Clinton would have won handily with a unified Democratic Party and women’s turnout. She’s been attracting a lot of support from women “Reagan Democrats” in all of the big key electoral college states.</p>
<p>Now, I honestly don’t know. The DNC and the “leadership” (losership? Brazille, Kerry, Kennedy, Dean) of the Democratic Party has participated in painting both Hillary Clinton and her husband (the Party’s biggest assett) as racists. The Party has driven a wedge between the African American voters and the rest of the Democratic coalition: women, working whites, Latinos, Asian Americans, etc. I’m not sure that the fractured party can be put back together before November. Heck, I’m not sure it can ever be put back together. I think it’s quite likely that the Democratic Party is finished as a national party. They’ve driven working women and moderates out of the tent. Tough to win with just college students, aging hippies, and African Americans…just like it would be tough for the Republicans to win if all they had were the Christian Coalition crowd.</p>
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<p>Having said that. It is now clear that Obama would crash and burn in November, so it’s up to the poobahs at the DNC to decide if they want the Party to go up in flames with him. If not, then a concerted effort by the Party leadership would help heal the racial fracture Obama’s people caused. The problem is that the poobahs hate the Clintons for being to “centrist”. The Dems are only comfortable with wacko loser-libs like Kerry and Kennedy. They’d rather crash and burn with another Dukakis than win a national election and seize a centrist majority.</p>
<p>interesteddad; excellent posts. Even though Obama is now disowning Wright, he is going to have a difficult time gaining the support of independents and conservative democrats. Especially if Wright keeps talking. The question is STILL going to be asked however; how can Obama claim that somehow this is a NEW PERSONALITY of Wright and not something he’s been aware of for the last 20 years. Oprah and others had no problem leaving that church because of Wright’s position on the government, whites, etc… Why has Obama been condoning it for 20 years and now is trying to say it is wrong?</p>
<p>Obama is not going to win if it’s him against McCain. Currently, Clinton has more super delegates than he does. I wouldn’t be surprised if she maintains that lead. If Obama gets the majority of the traditional pledged delegates and Clinton gets the majority of super delegates, they’re going to have to convince the voters that Hillary should be their choice. Especially if they want to win. There is absolutely no way; with his CURRENT issues, that Obama can win. Hillary has a good chance.</p>
<p>I must say, I thought that the Wright issue was vastly overblown the first time round - I can and did believe that a single inflammatory speech like the one he made might not have been indicative of his general preachings, and that Obama might very well have not known.</p>
<p>However, in light of his recent speech, I am finding it extremely difficult to believe that Obama did not know this about Wright, when it has shown to be such a defining and deep aspect of his persona.</p>
<p>How can he “disavow” Rev. Wright when Obama has been campaigning to black audiences with the same racist Malcolm X rhetoric since he slammed the race card on the table in S. Carolina?</p>
<p>Obama knew. It suited him politically in his black-majority South Side district, to endorse Wright’s firebrand racism.</p>
<p>Anyone who has followed Obama knows that he plays a different character for black audiences and white audiences.</p>
<p>Do a Google search on “Obama Praises Rev. Jeremiah Wright You Tube” and click any of the videos showing Obama heaping praise on his pastor (while speaking a dialect seldom heard by white audiences on the campaing trail).</p>
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<p>I think you mean the “plump” lady. The lady is not exactly “fat”. :D</p>
<p>I thought Rev. Wright was doing alright with Bill Moyers and the NAACP Detroit speech. Now he’s tipped the scale. I’m an undecided but leaning Hillary. </p>
<p>I also used to think the Superdelegate system was absurd. Now I see its brilliance. It is the only way to save the Democratic Party this Fall. There is no way the Barack of today would even be a contender - without the caucuses of upper middle class people free from job commitments he would have never gotten this far. Barack has proven he simply doesn’t understand middle America enough to know what to say or how to say it to capture them. He keeps talking about big picture revolution (which appeals to the educated classes who are above the fray of daily life) but doesn’t understand that the working class just wants cheap gas and a decent job. If he does understand that, he’s not conveying it.</p>
<p>I also think Hillary’s tenacity has earned her a degree of respect amongst the more conservative swing voters. I don’t suspect she’s as devisive as she used to be in many voters’ minds. </p>
<p>The DNC needs to get her as president, Barack as VP and let him mature in the system for the next 4-8 years.</p>