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Well, I’ll just have to second THAT!! :D</p>
<p>Wow, you guys are TOO nice! 
On that high note, I’ll say good night!</p>
<p>Now if we could only get her to run for president…</p>
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Using your metrics for selecting/evaluating Presidents, certainly you must agree that FDR ranks near the bottom. The number of soldiers who died as a result of poor planning in WWII (tanks unable to withstand shots from a Panzer, no planning for the hedge rows, etc.) far exceeds any losses in Iraq.</p>
<p>Bottom line is that in war and anything else, as Forrest Gump found out, ***** happens and no matter if the president has an “R” behind their name or a “D” it’s not going to prevent it. But of course that won’t stop you from making your partisan claims to the contrary.</p>
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Or <strong>YOU</strong>!!! :)</p>
<p>“Really? Something equivalent to or worse than failing to provide adequate, basic equipment to first responders–when the need is clear and explicit–then lying about it while having their corpses scooped into the landfill.”</p>
<p>From out there in Louisiana, it may be hard to understand that this isn’t quite as simple as all that and there is a great deal of untruth in your statement. (Says the wife of a post-attack first responder on the monitor list who lives very near that particular landfill.) But I won’t argue this point with you because it is so deeply personal to me and is something that keeps me awake at night. However, I will say that there is no candidate on either side that excites me, and I would probably be another vote for Rudy if Hillary were the democratic nominee because Willie also makes me nauseous.</p>
<p>Hillary’s statement at the debate that we are safer now (even though caveated with “not safe enough”) seems to have gotten a lot of Democratic noses way out of joint.</p>
<p>“Hillary’s statement at the debate that we are safer now (even though caveated with “not safe enough”) seems to have gotten a lot of Democratic noses way out of joint.”</p>
<p>I’m not sure that I agree with her. I suspect that we may all be guilty of not knowing what we don’t know. Yet. Did any of you see the plot to take out JFK’s fuel tanks? The pipeline runs right under my neighborhood. I was horrified by that and even more so to learn that the ringleader’s family is in Iran and he was on his way there when arrested.</p>
<p>Yes, I love how she throws out these little bones to prove she’s a “centrist.” My favorite was the Goldwater reference. She appeared to take a lot of glee in that one. See gang–she knows who Goldwater is so she’s no far leftist! Same way they’re playing up her “midwestern Republican roots.” I can understand how the American people could be fooled once, but twice? I think Hillary is underestimating their intelligence. I also didn’t care for her apparent condescension to the other candidates as they spoke–her smiles and nods–as if they were the poor candidate wannabees who must be thrilled with the opportunity to be on the stage with HRH HRC.</p>
<p>“I can understand how the American people could be fooled once, but twice? I think Hillary is underestimating their intelligence.”
HH - would that you were right. But “No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”</p>
<h2>“because of Karl Rove’s campaign to bring millions of evangelical Christians (for lack of a better term…I really don’t have one) out to the polls, who don’t usually vote. (I’m serious, not trying to mock anyone…I have experience with a wide range of religious preference and some of these very religious people say they don’t vote because they are leaving it up to God to pick the president…”</h2>
<p>Princedog - Just because you know a couple of people who opt out, doesn’t mean all evangelical Christians feel this way. I’m mainline Christian, but given where I live I can tell you I have never met an evangelical Christian who did not take his or her right and duty to vote seriously.</p>
<p>“I can understand how the American people could be fooled once, but twice?”</p>
<p>Just take a look at who is in the Oval Office. If it weren’t so sad, that statement would be funny.</p>
<p>^^Alwaysamom, I’d vote for him for another four years, if it were possible. I realize that’s an appalling post to write in these parts, but, that’s my position.</p>
<p>Please correct me if I’m wrong, alwaysamom, but I don’t think Laura Bush is planning to run for president in eight years’ time, meaning that we won’t have George W. Bush living in the White House, or as an unelected “roving ambassador” for another four or possibly eight years. On the other hand, it’s hypothetically possible that we could have Hill and Bill in the Oval Office (ewwwww) for another four or even eight years, for a possible grand total of Hill and Bill running our country for 16 years. My bet is that when the American people really stop and think about this scenario, they will not want to go there. :)</p>
<p>Of course, Hillary doesn’t answer hypotheticals. :)</p>
<p>HH, you missed my point entirely. My reference to the ‘American people being fooled twice’ was to the fact that they were fooled twice by electing GWB twice! Sad, but true.</p>
<p>HH–“the smartest woman in the world” is an unnecessary bit of sarcasm.</p>
<p>You don’t have to be brilliant to be president; just look at our current one. You just have to be a good manager and surround yourself with the most knowledgable people. Again, don’t do what our current one is doing…</p>
<p>Mommusic, why be so judgmental?</p>
<p>I find this whole thread refreshing…thanks, HH!</p>
<p>It is just this sort of miracle that should inspire all of us to go out and take on the day. </p>
<p>If the smartest woman in the world can fail a bar exam, pick herself up, dust herself off and start all over again to become the odds on favorite to lead the Democrats to victory (a class that --and this should interest you-- would include you) why …well, I’d just bet that darn good things can happen to any loser. An American success story! Gives us all high hopes. High apple pie in the sky hopes. So any time you’re feeling bad, 'stead of feeling sad…just remember this thread!</p>
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<p>Well, she also prays entirely TOO MUCH, or, at least that is what she represented to Soledad last night. She said - AFTER she said we don’t belong in Iraq and she’s gonna get us out, amen, allelujah - information that Soledad did not request - that she prays to lose weight, prays for people she knows, for people she doesn’t know, for any number of things, situations and people - she prays all day and all night long, except while sleeping - in fact, I had the impression how does she have time to represent anyone in the Senate, all the time spent praying…personally, I think we need a president smart enough to KNOW that the key to weight loss is eat less, exercise more.</p>
<p>Mrs Clinton is quite the one to comment on how many times anyone has been “fooled”. </p>
<p>BTW, I do think its of interest that she failed the bar. Despite the fact that Yale is not one of those places where they spend their time teaching you the questions on the bar exam, it is typically a collection of some of the brightest academic talent available. I’ll bet you that fewer than 10% of that Yale law class failed a bar exam.</p>
<p>Last week Hillary was in favor of keeping troops in Iraq indefinitely. This week, during the debate, they asked what each candidate would do in the first 100 days of office. Hillary said she would get “us” out of Iraq. She also referred to Iraq as George Bush’s War.</p>
<p>Ok, now, I’m confused…again. 
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<p>This is a political flip-flop. Sorry.</p>