<p>You can rationalize all you want, but in the end of the day aa is racism and racism is always wrong.</p>
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<p>if all the most qualified students got in, disregarding race, it would create another, even worse form of racism. That would push URMs furthur out of getting the best education possible, dividing society even more.</p>
<p>^^It would teach minorities in this country to wake up and realize that the only way they are going to be able to prove their intelligence to Americans is by working hard. You don’t need to have parents who make 120K every year to go to your local Borders store and pick up the Blue Book and start doing SAT problems.</p>
<p>Japanese civilians were put into internment camps in the 1940’s, Chinese immigrants in the 1800’s were treated like dogs and had to work like dogs on railroads, Jewish immigrants escaped the Holocaust and came to America after 6 million Jews were gased and slaughtered by the Nazis, etc. The Jews, Japanese, and Chinese all faced great oppression and now comprise of the wealthiest minority groups in the country.</p>
<p>By providing AA, you’re giving minorities in this country a cruth and giving them a convenient excuse for underachievment. Elite colleges are entrenching the mindset among the American population that minorities like Hisapnics and African Americans are inherently inferior and therefore need special treatment.</p>
<p>The truth is AA is a temporary program that has been put forth by American insititutions to help DISADVANTAGED minorities catch up and it will soon have to come to an end. This country will erupt into flames and there will be protests in every college in the nation like there was in Vietnam if this program perseveres well into the 21st century. The prolonged use of Affirmative Action will create a large racial divide and every corporation in this country is soon going to suffer due to equal employment and antidiscriminatory employee hiring laws. </p>
<p>We risk letting an uneducated segment of the minority population in the United States tap into some of the most sensitive economic, political, and social resources/positions in this country and we risk seeing incompetence crop up in every segment of American life.</p>
<p>It’s time we call for an end to AA.</p>
<p>How would letting in the most qualified applicants hurt URMs?</p>
<p>By assuming that minorities do less than stellar in school is also racist. Whites, blacks, hispanics, Asians, we all can do well in school. I thought America was the land of opportunity.</p>
<p>.-_-.</p>
<p>america has the lowest level of social mobility out of all somewhat developed countries.</p>
<p>True, for lazy people who prefer to constantly whine about america all day instead of working or studying or accomplishing something - social mobility is limited</p>
<p>nah. mostly cause certain white supremacists exist and create an elite club. corporate elite, political elite, and military. all are basically invitation only clubs.</p>
<p>socioeconomic affirmative action.</p>
<p>a rich black kid should not have an easier shot of getting into an ivy than a dirt poor white kid if they have the same stats and such.</p>
<p>the wonders of socialism</p>
<p>but how many people actually suffer from affirmative action?
imagine 10 people applying for the same job that is accepting only one person. as it turns out, the only black guy out of the 10 white applicants is hired. the result is 9 other white people complaining that they lost their job because of affirmative action, but the reality is that only one white guy who would have gotten the job suffers, not all 9 of them. if a white person was hired, 8 white guys and a black guy would be denied the job and wouldn’t have a reason to complain. my point is that sometimes, affirmative action doesn’t harm every single asian or white person, but only a select few whites and asians who would have gained acceptance into college instead of the URMs. however, the reality is that every asian and caucasian is blaming affirmative action for their rejection letters, which is most likely not the case. most of the critics of AA probably wouldn’t have gained acceptance into the college anyways. yes, AA is unfair, but it doesn’t affect everybody.</p>
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<p>. . . but it’s true. why do they give advantages to URMs, then? everyone has the potential to do amazing in school, but they might not have had as much opportunity or encouragement to do so.</p>
<p>Predictions I made in the original post that has come true:</p>
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<li><p>Thus far, everyone in this thread has completely ignored that Affirmative Action has benefitted women more than any other minority. Once again, people still tend to think of AA as a race thing and not a gender thing despite the fact that women have actually shown real results. The majority of universities these days are comprised of more females than males. The hypocrisy that some of the opponents of AA is so blantant on this issue. When a woman gets into an elite school, it’s through hard work, but when a black man gets in, it must be because of Affrimative Action. </p></li>
<li><p>Legacy Rule. Once again, completely ignored.</p></li>
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<p>Before any of you jump to conclusions about me, schools in Canada don’t practice AA (that I know of anyways). </p>
<p>By the way, did any of you bother to read my original post? I don’t want to brag but it was hilarious.</p>
<p>Icrisis,</p>
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<li><p>Affirmative Action for all practical purposes no longer helps women, as they are now the majority at most schools. For every school that AA helps women in (mostly tech schools like MIT and Caltech) it also helps men - such as W&M.</p></li>
<li><p>The “legacy rule” as you call it isn’t AA. Its simply a way of a school keeping good relations with its alumni base. If I donated $50,000 to a school that I didn’t attend - I’m sure my kid would be treated as legacy as well.</p></li>
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You can’t compare apples and oranges. Here’s the REALITY… are minorities who inherently have limited educational opportunities going to be as “qualified” as students who grew up with plently of preparation and opportunities? I don’t mean to generalize, there are always a few exceptions. However, I’m more big on socioeconomic factors, rather than strictly “race”…</p>
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Okay, back to reality again. Yes, essentially, a person of any race can do well in school, as in there’s no superior race(s). And America does offer so much more opportunities compared to many other places (if you disagree, then go ahead, try living from scratch in Guatemala for example, and see how you like it). </p>
<p>However. Look at the average SAT scores, GPA’s, etc., of students and you will see that generally, certain groups score higher and certain groups score lower. That suggests that there is a problem, a flaw, something–that causes one group(s) to not receive opportunities comparable to another group(s) to do as well as they did. That doesn’t suggest that one group is inferior to another.</p>
<p>None of that justifies affirmative action, you are merely explaning why affirmative action is happening. The fact is Affirmative action is racism, and racism under ANY circumstances is ALWAYS wrong.</p>
<p>Not true dude. Racism is only wrong when it affects me.</p>
<p>Drew, will you either present a solution/alternative, or stop pointlessly talking like a broken record?</p>
<p>Edit: Apparently, you also don’t support any various forms of discrimination that happens while a certain minority student is growing up and going to school BEFORE the college admissions process. Either that or you’re ignoring it completely for some reason.</p>
<p>Fighting racism with more racism, good idea.</p>
<p>…So you have no alternative solution. Okay.</p>