The Texas Solution to School Shooters

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<p>ADad,
You might start with Wikipedia. For CA residents and visitors, here is the Wikipedia overview: [Gun</a> laws in California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California]Gun”>Gun laws in California - Wikipedia), state firearm laws (50 pages): <a href=“http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/Cfl2007.pdf[/url]”>http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/Cfl2007.pdf&lt;/a&gt; and fish and wildlife regulations: [Hunting</a> and Fishing Regulations](<a href=“http://www.dfg.ca.gov/regulations/]Hunting”>http://www.dfg.ca.gov/regulations/).</p>

<p>“I would be interested to hear how current or retired military feel about so many yahoos strutting around with weapons that are meant for people with years of training.”</p>

<p>McChrystal was quite outspoken about his support for a new assault weapons bans. </p>

<p>"Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal came out in favor of gun control restrictions in a Tuesday morning appearance on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”</p>

<p>“I spent a career carrying typically either a M16, and later a M4 carbine,” he said. “And a M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed to do that. That’s what our soldiers ought to carry.”</p>

<p>Said McChrystal, “I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America. I believe that we’ve got to take a serious look – I understand everybody’s desire to have whatever they want – but we have to protect our children and our police and we have to protect our population. And I think we have to take a very mature look at that.”</p>

<p>[Stanley</a> McChrystal: Gun Control Requires ‘Serious Action’](<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>Stanley McChrystal: Gun Control Requires 'Serious Action' | HuffPost Latest News)</p>

<p>In Case someone missed this or dont know how to read a table.</p>

<p>rank States Amount </p>

<h1>1 District of Columbia: 31.2</h1>

<p>Texas is just happy to be in the middle of the list but also happy to be leading the crusade as “Gun Crazies” as some imbeciles with no interpretation skills claim us to be.</p>

<p>^ DC’s gun ban was overturned - if fact, it was the DC law which was challenged in Heller.</p>

<p>And that excludes them from the data? Why are they not the gun crazies?</p>

<p>I bet none of them carry assault rifles either. It is such a wonderful world of DC, the gun murder capital of US.</p>

<p>DC probably doesn’t have as many good surgeons as Texas. ;)</p>

<p>“And that excludes them from the data? Why are they not the gun crazies?”</p>

<p>Eh? </p>

<p>DC is at the top of the list because their strict hand gun law was overturned. Which, if anything. proves my point. When gun laws are lax there is more gun crime. </p>

<p>In addition, it takes about 2 minutes to get from DC to Virgina and Maryland so the ability of people in DC to get guns from neighboring states is extremely easy. This is, of course, one of the reason we need a national gun control law. </p>

<p>The states with the toughest gun laws - like NYS/CT/NJ/MA - are at the very bottom of the list, contrary to your previous assertion that Texas had a lower rate than states with tough gun control laws. You were way off on your “facts.”</p>

<p>Dead is dead no matter how someone got killed. </p>

<p>By that measure, New Mexico is number 3, Maryland is 4, Illinois is 11, and Pennsylvania and California (land of peaceniks?) rank above Texas.</p>

<p>[Murder</a> Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center](<a href=“http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRord]Murder”>http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRord)</p>

<p>Texas is still in the middle no matter how you are measuring it - by guns or murder rates which makes you off your facts.</p>

<p>New Jersey and New york are barely below Texas FWIW.</p>

<p>Connecticut is too tiny for comparison.</p>

<p>Regardless, even from your data, Texas does not as you stated…“have far less gun crime with all the so called gun nuts than those states with actual laws banning them.”</p>

<p>Not only do they not have FAR LESS, they have more.</p>

<p>That table doesn’t really say much, texas. This is from the CDC’s most recent data (2009):</p>

<p>All homicides
Number of deaths: 16,799
Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.5
Cause of death rank: 15</p>

<p>Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 11,493
Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.7</p>

<p>So, firearms account for 68.4 percent of all homicides. </p>

<p>Now on to accidents and suicides:</p>

<p>Accidental firearm deaths
Number of deaths: 554
Deaths per 100,000 population: .18</p>

<p>Firearm suicides
Number of deaths: 18,735
Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.1</p>

<p>And let’s throw in the nonfatal injuries:</p>

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<p>Source: <a href=“http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/ficap/resourcebook/pdf/monograph.pdf[/url]”>http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/ficap/resourcebook/pdf/monograph.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>26th on any list out of 50 does not make it GUN CRAZY. The ones with the gun laws are not better off in their murder rates which kind of makes it a ridiculous argument for gun control.</p>

<p>DC where they are trying to pass laws seems to be worst off. Why don’t they start cleaning it up first?</p>

<p>I don’t think state-by-state comparisons make much sense anyway. States have different urban population densities and many other factors that affect the statistics.</p>

<p>I must have missed something. </p>

<p>If New Jersey and Connecticut have gun laws and their crime rate is low because of it - How did this woman accumulate the guns and let her crazy son have access to them so he can kill her and a bunch of kids in Connecticut?</p>

<p>Some people love to regulate. Some people live to regulate. They are usually people with enormous certitude that their views are correct and those who disagree with them are either (1) dumb, or (2) evil.</p>

<p>And some people regulate so that others might live.</p>

<p>texas, I believe she bought a number of her weapons from New Hampshire, where she was from. But what’s your point? She acquired them legally. Plenty of people in NJ and CT have guns. In fact a big gun-rights group (the National Shooting Sports Foundation) is based in Newtown.</p>

<p>^^^ you would think the group which wants their rights protected would also look into allowing the other groups’ rights protected but that never seems to be the case.</p>

<p>Those who want to regulate so others can live - are the people clamoring for the unborn’s rights also correct in asking for the regulation?</p>

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<p>4 out of 5 states with the highest military populations (Texas, Florida, California, Virginia and North Carolina) also have the least restrictive gun laws. </p>

<p>Most service personal and prior service I know own guns. And no these military personal did not all have years of training on guns while in service. There are many different jobs in the military.</p>

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If someone unlawfully enters my house and steals my guns, or anything else, like my car, I shouldn’t be held liable for what they illegally obtained. Ditto if I had a gun inside my car and someone stole my car along with the gun. </p>

<p>My neighbor had someone break into his house, steal his very heavy gun safe (I know it was very heavy - I helped load it into a truck from the police station after it was recovered), took the safe away, broke into it, and stole the guns out of it and abandoned the safe in a field. Should he have been held liable for how those guns might have been used by the thieves or whoever the thieves sold the guns to?</p>

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Skeet/Trap and stationary target shooting is a huge use of guns. Another is as intimidation against a burglar or by cops against bad guys - even when they’re not discharged.</p>

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It’s difficult to stop an armed intruder or attacker with something other than a gun. They usually don’t response well to “Pretty please, go away” and it’s not a good idea to bring a knife to a gun fight.</p>

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splashmom:
Moving away from the gun control issue for a moment, can you think of anything that can be done in your area that might help identify some of these troubled individuals and intervene in some way to actually address their emotional/mental issues pro-actively to stop them from using any kind of menas to harm others and to end up helping them have a future? Maybe additional training for the school’s entire staff backed up by a higher level of training and direction by the nursing staff and possibly a larger nursing staff with all of them having had additional training in this psychological area to identify the individuals and refer them to additional resources?</p>

<p>“26th on any list out of 50 does not make it GUN CRAZY. The ones with the gun laws are not better off in their murder rates which kind of makes it a ridiculous argument for gun control.”</p>

<p>You were the one who bragged about how Texas, with their less restrictive laws, had a FAR LESS gun crime rate then all the states with more restrictive laws and you were wrong. I simply pointed it out that it was untrue. </p>

<p>Next time before you brag about something, you should check your facts first.</p>