The Underworked American Child (The Economist)

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<p>Um, no. Sorry, reddune, not all of us are that stupid. Not only do we know the keyboard tricks of our own sons and daughters, but it is evident to those of us in education when intellectual growth is not occurring, but homework assigments are (just barely) getting done. It is not occurring because it is (mostly) not being demanded – certainly in most public high schools. And as to “graduating from top colleges,” I’m not sure how “top” you’re talking about, what the gpa was at graduation, what the major and courseload were of those “graduates from top colleges.” I will tell you right now that most of the students graduating from all the public high schools in my region, and in many cases receiving “A’s” are absolutely not prepared to write and think on the college level. The proof of my statement is that they are failing their writing classes even on the State college level, and really struggling if they manage to get into reach public U’s.</p>

<p>Perhaps there are some math majors you know that have managed to barely skirt by the writing requirements in their colleges, or other heavily quantitative majors who have done similarly, but it is not happening in the case of other kinds of majors. And mostly, if it is truly “top,” as in so-called “elite,” the cyber-crazed students are not even being admitted if they have not shown discipline prior to college.</p>

<p>I haven’t read the entire thread, so I apologize if I am stepping into discussions that have happened in between the early posts and the later ones. There are a few things going on here that need to be untangled.</p>

<p>One set of discussions is about amount of work and expectations. American students indeed work fewer hours (length of school year; length of school day). The school calendar actually comes from the agrarian calendar and was established so kids on the farm could help their parents. I went to public school here and for a couple of years of elementary school in England and the English school (private) was far more advanced than my American one. Indeed, English high school graduates are assumed to be educated in lots of areas and have already, in effect, chosen their majors before entering university.</p>

<p>College admissions here is different. HYP, as a result of the anti-Semitism of alumni and administrations, shifted admissions criteria away from purely academic criteria (grades and a precursor to the SATs) to incorporate criteria that would enable them to separate non-Jews (largely WASPs) from Jews. After quotas to limit the percentage of Jews to 15% became embarrassing, they instituted geographic distribution requirements (most of the Jews were in a small number of big cities) and an emphasis on character, exemplified by participation in sports and worthy extra-curricular activities, and even interviews designed to distinguish Christian men of character from Jews. The upshot of this is that American colleges choose based upon a number of criteria that are loosely correlated with academic strength (and we have built up a strong ideology in the US for why this is a good thing). But, it does mean that students in HS will, a la Michael Spence’s work on job market signalling, over-invest (relative to what they would have done otherwise) in meeting those largely or partially non-academic criteria. Thus, relative to other countries, time students spend on non-academic work is time taken from academic work.</p>

<p>Another discussion is about the highly competitive arena we have for the top schools. I’d say we have a vicious meritocracy for the top ten or twenty percent, kids competing to go the the elite colleges and the second tier. In this tier, kids work and do ECs and barely have time to sleep – these kids and their parents are represented on CC. This tier includes the high-end public and private high schools. (These are the schools of my experience, though I will now report impressions based upon reading of non-academic and academic articles – I may be wrong but this is what I sense.) However, we have what I take to be embarrassingly bad educational systems for the inner cities and some traditionally poor and often black areas in places like Alabama and Mississippi. And, we have pretty low standards and mediocre education relative to other countries for many of the kids in the middle. It is not clear that the average kid not in an elite or magnet high school has to work that hard or gets a particularly rigorous education. I think the kids in these schools learn to write largely by osmosis.</p>

<p>A final discussion had to do with what is actually being taught in the potentially too few hours of school. I’ve had one kid in a highly-regarded public high school but partially homeschooled and another in a highly-regarded private high school. My observation is that a very substantial fraction of time in public school is spent on maintaining order, socialization, and activities related to grades. In the very strong public high school, teachers felt compelled to lay down elaborate and complex rules on what would happen if a student were late, needed to go to the bathroom, etc. That stuff seems to get dispensed with more quickly in the private school. In an organized homeschool (e.g., tutors come in or kid goes to community college class or just is a disciplined worker), a higher percentage of the time can be spent on academic learning and less on learning how to play well with others and more importantly how to follow reasonable but often arbitrary rules and how to cope with arbitrary autocrats. It’s both good and bad to learn to follow rules, but you don’t need 12 years of this to teach you what you need to learn.</p>

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<p>An interesting way to put it, with a double negative. How ‘bout “It is entirely clear that the average kid not in an elite or magnet high school does not have to work that hard to gain A’s and gets a particularly non-rigorous education.” How does that grab you? :wink: Because certainly in my area nothing could be more accurate. And as to the “osmosis,” part: sorry, but the chemistry ain’t workin’. They are in fact not writing, not learning to write, not being made to write (in such mediocre high schools that they laughingly might call “top” or even just “really good,”), and one doesn’t learn to write well overnight, instantly, or by osmosis - unless one is a phenomenal reader (they aren’t), is such a genius that direct learning is a habit, OR someone else is, ahem, doing the writing. (Some of my students’ families include those with parents who write <em>for</em> the, say, middle-schooler.)</p>

<p>Shawbridge#142: Awesome post. I agree with most of what you say.</p>

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<p>Indeed. And IMO the kids in this tier in the US work at least as hard as, if not harder than, the top tier high school students anywhere in the world.</p>

<p>I very much agree with post 144. And if anything this is a way of affirming what shawbridge said about the bifurcated or trifurcated education system: neglected/ mediocre/ high-performing. I don’t know about going on and on about the rules (in my own area that’s not what dominates the day). However, equally wasteful as the ‘crowd management’ effort is the appallingly short public high school day and the astoundingly brief requirements both for class work and homework. Freshmen at one of our local public schools take three solids. (Yes, you heard me.) Some core courses are not even offered in certain grade levels, in suburban high schools. Thus, a freshman may take one math, one English, and some watered down intro to science course. The student feels unusually put-upon if he or she has more than a total of one hour of homework per day --some of which they are allowed to do at school, in class (thus, hardly “homework”). How do the other school periods get filled, you wonder? Guitar, “study skills” (usually a joke of an “advisory” period in which you are allowed to do your – horror of horrors – burdensome one hour of homework), and P.E. </p>

<p>Hell, my children had more challenge in 5th through 8th grades in a medium-performing private elementary school.</p>

<p>There is enormous time wasted in the public high school day. And every excuse is engineered by administrators for even more “time off,” “short days,” and who knows what. I wouldn’t mind 180 days if those were semi-rigorous days, but they’re not. There is very little expecation of student productivity at these schools. (Which is of course a huge contrast to the other end of the spectrum.-- the sleep-deprived-nights )</p>

<p>Let me be upfront and say that I haven’t read all of the postings on this thread. </p>

<p>For those of you concerned about the state of our youth in this country and their work ethic or lack, thereof, I highly suggest a book written by Robert Epstein, Ph.D. entitled, “The Case Against Adolescence.” </p>

<p>There is much going on, culturally, that we endorse and accept as “truth” regarding the teen years. One of them is the myth, perpetuated by multiple systems, of adolescent development. The author makes a persuasive argument opposing many of the assumptions we hold to be true about the teen years.</p>

<p>It is we, the adults, who fashion the schools and culture into which youth must adapt.</p>

<p>patc–while I haven’t read the book, I believe (and authors have noted) we have artificially prolonged adolescence in the country by allowing young adults to remain juvenile and unresponsible longer than any generation before them. If they’re still in college (which may be well into their 20s) they are not “grown-up.” </p>

<p>Whereas in our not so recent past, most kids would stop their formal schooling at 14 or so and get a job or apprenticeship or work on the family farm. Lengthy schooling was rare, reserved for the truly brilliant or the idle rich (who might spend their teen years traveling rather than in school, but still.)</p>

<p>vicariousparent, thanks. I did neglect the very small upper part in the upper tier that get positions in the top schools because their parents are celebrities, exceedingly wealthy, etc. But for the most part, I think the kids in the upper tier work extremely hard, though because of the highly selective US colleges choice to give real weight to ECs, let me hazard a guess that US students are likely to spend more of their time on ECs and less on studying than, say, super-dilgent kids in Singapore who are likely only to spend time on academics. </p>

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<p>You are right that the my double negative was curious and, although I don’t typically polish my writing for CC, in this case it was also intentional. My only experience is with a high-end public school and a high-end private school as well as with some home-schooling. So, I am just going with what I read about the neglected and mediocre segments of public education. My limited experience is consistent with your statement that that the osmotic reaction does not work for most kids. </p>

<p>mommusic, there is certainly evidence from fMRI research that the adolescent brain is still developing, especially in the areas involving judgment, until at least 19. And, the nature of work at the higher end may involve more advanced cognitive skills than ever before. However, I wonder if the lengthening of pre-adulthood has arisen in part because we don’t have the openings in our labor market. If so, when the boomer bulge retires, will there be a rush to get kids out of school and into the job market. There may also be something else going on. As elementary and high school education doesn’t produce educated kids for the most part, unlike the UK, we use the undergraduate years to provide basic education (and certification to show that people have some basic competences). As such, an undergraduate degree performs the function that a high school degree might have in earlier eras (an exception to this would probably be engineering degrees) and students need to get a graduate degree to get the certification of higher-level competence that perhaps a university degree used to provide.</p>

<p>Just a quick reply, shawbridge. I certainly wasn’t being critical of your double-negative, just amused. :slight_smile: I enjoy your writing, in fact.</p>

<p>Many others have also noticed that undergraduate degrees are now performing the function that high school competencies once did (except, of course, for the high-performing highschoolers seeking & gaining reach admissions), and I have no dispute with that. (A lot of angst, as I “inherit” all of these incompetents, but no dispute)</p>

<p>I’m not sure that whoever wrote this article fully understands the school system and how hard students have to work these days.</p>

<p>I was insulted by this article, since I really don’t consider myself to be lazy.</p>

<p>I wake up at 6:30AM to get to school by 7:30AM, where I study until 1st period at 7:45AM.
We have 45 mins for lunch, and get out at 3:30PM. I get home at around 4:00PM, since I am not involved in sports or any after school activities. </p>

<p>After I get home, I eat a snack and start on homework. I do about 1 hour of homework until dinner at 5:00PM. I resume homework at 6:00PM, and I have about 4 to 5 hours of homework every night (for a full course load of 7 classes, no AP’s).</p>

<p>I have absolutely no free time, and am constantly involved in some sort of school work.</p>

<p>I am not even involved in sports, and have friends that don’t get home until 5:00PM, and have heavier course loads than me.</p>

<p>Leave us alone…?</p>

<p>"I’m not sure that whoever wrote this article fully understands the school system and how hard students have to work these days.</p>

<p>I was insulted by this article, since I really don’t consider myself to be lazy."</p>

<p>You’re absolutely correct. A lot of students particularly those who aspire to elite schools are ridiculously overworked: as many AP courses as its possible to take; EC’s that include starting clubs, sports, taking SAT courses, music etc. Its totally absurd and a very recent phenomenon that doesn’t bode well for either the physical or mental health of our young.</p>

<p>Thank you!</p>

<p>No wonder we are called Generation RX, with people buying and selling Adderall and Ritalin to pull through all nighters and study for AP’s.</p>

<p>Honestly, I have decent grades, about a 3.7, I’m not perfect. Yet I still spend all of my time working on school stuff. Getting into college has become an obsession for me and many people around me, as you can probably tell by this website.</p>

<p>No wonder there are so many bipolar and depressed kids with drug abuse and self-harm issues when there are people that stand around and say they aren’t working hard enough when it’s all they do or care about.</p>

<p>apparently neither DocT nor agj read the above posts by shawbridge, in which he/she accurately delineates varying levels of high school demand and performance (as I paraphrased those posts: neglected/mediocre/high-performing). Possibly the article was focusing on the two bottom levels, not on the upper tier.</p>

<p>No and I still haven’t. However a lot of students didn’t have much demanded of them before they entered high school so at that point its a bit late.</p>

<p>Perhaps you should write an email to the author of the article then, epiphany, asking him/her to further elaborate since the article seems to make generalizations about all students in the United States.</p>

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<p>…and comparing those levels to the upper tiers in other countries?</p>

<p>Besides, one must realize that teaching methods in other countries vary widely from that of the United States. Most other countries don’t have multiple-choice tests, and go far more in depth on less topics, so foreign students are more likely to remember.
In fact, wouldn’t it be more difficult to achieve good grades when being tested on wider topics (as in the United States), and wouldn’t it be unfair to call U.S. students lazy…?</p>

<p>There are also cultural issues here that to some degree don’t exist in other countries that are more homogenous which make teaching more difficult.</p>

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<p>Rather, perhaps you should.:wink: I say that because I think I know what the author is referring to – being very familiar with the various expectations in a rather segmented variety of (U.S.) educational models - whereas, you are apparently offended by “generalizations.” </p>

<p>(The book from the '70’s, Games People Play, featured a “game” called, “Let’s You and He fight.”) That’s what you asked me to do, & I’m not doing that because it’s not my issue; it’s your issue. But you can do that if you want. :)</p>

<p>You are the one that is assuming you know what the author is talking about, which is why I suggested you clarify with the author, since I am merely taking from the article exactly what it says.</p>