<p>Pizzagirl (#20) and jmmom (#17) think alike.</p>
<p>dudedad- hopefully not poison ivy. :eek: If so, your D is…interesting. ;)</p>
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<p>Is this an accepted definition?</p>
<p>I ask because the only other time I heard of the Ivy+ consortium was on another thread and then it turned out to be a dating thing, (for lack of a better description).</p>
<p>Pea, no. Read PrincetonDreams’ posts, it’s evident they are blinded by prestige.</p>
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<p>True, and there are even better colleges than the Ivies. MIT and Stanford comes to mind;)</p>
<p>There are tons of wonderful colleges in this country. There have been folks on this forum who have gone to schools that don’t have “name recognition” everywhere and have done quite well in career options and also professional or grad school admissions.</p>
<p>Schools like the Ivies, Stanford and MIT are great schools…for sure…but they accept a very small %age of applicants each year. There are many, many fine students who find excellent college educations at schools other than these.</p>
<p>Do the math…there are THOUSANDS of colleges…and the Ivies plus the handful of similar schools only graduate a small %age of the college grads annually. Amongst those many thousands of other grads are some mighty successful folks.</p>
<p>And just FYI…I’m not sure I agree with POIH that MIT and Stanford are “better colleges than the Ivies”. He, of course, is entitled to his opinion…which ALWAYS has MIT at the top of the heap.</p>
<p>^^ And if dd had gone to Princeton, it would have been at the top of the heap. Now that there are no more turntables for broken records to keep skipping/repeating or tapes to put on auto-rewind… we have the 21st century cc version-- POIH MIT redux :)</p>
<p>What Thumper said. MIT is wonderful in many respects, but it certainly isn’t for everyone. I think both my kids would have picked just about anything over MIT! To each his or her own.</p>
<p>LOL JYM!! Good one!</p>
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<p>Not exactly true. For example, the top 50-60% of Stanford undergrads practically command bonuses, and often turn down many lucrative job offers to do their own thing.</p>
<p>I don’t deny that Ivy+Plus undergraduates face a tough job market, much like everyone else does, but the prestige of their school always helps. And in many cases, it is what makes all the difference.</p>
<p>My older son just graduated from a school that isn’t usually listed on the Ivy plus list - they had no problems in this economy at all. You just have to pick a field that is in demand.</p>
<p>Well this is really great news, since my D just turned down H and Y to go to a “non-ivy.” We were told by others she had just ruined her life. What a relief this post is, I guess we’ll sleep good tonight. Imagine ruining your life at 17, by attending a non-liberal college in a warm sunny climate. LOL</p>
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<li>Ivies are a collection of 8 Universities.</li>
<li>MIT and Stanford are same as 3 of the Ivies. i.e. Harvard, Princeton and Yale</li>
<li>MIT and Stanford better than 5 of the Ivies. i.e.Columbia, Cornell, Brown, U Penn, and Dartmouth.</li>
<li>So on the whole MIT and Stanford better than Ivies (Collectively) ;)</li>
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<p>That logic is so flawed it doesn’t deserve a response.</p>
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<p>Wow!!!</p>
<p>I guess my D will have to have her head examined. She left grad school at MIT and also turned down an offer with $$$ at Stanford. She thinks they are great schools. Never would call them “better” though. The right match for the student and their interests is what matters. </p>
<p>In any case, I don’t see how anyone would really call MIT or Stanford better than the Ivies collectively. The differences between these schools in terms of quality is almost non-existent.</p>
<p>As a side bar comment…attitudes such as those in post #33 dovetail with my comments on another Parent Forum active thread about public/private high schools and one aspect that my kids enjoyed at their public high school was never encountering this kind of thinking or talk! If this is the kind of thinking and chatter at prep schools (I know POIH touts the prep school experience too), I’m glad my kids were not part of it.</p>
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<p>^ That is nonsense.</p>
<p>All the Ivy+Plus schools are simply exceptional. The best schools in the world in fact. It’s quite a feat to be among the top 15 in a world of hundreds of thousands of colleges and universities!</p>
<p>However, many in the general public, and some, and I really mean some, in the corporate world may consider Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford to be in a tier of their own within the top 15.</p>
<p>Which is a better school, the Manhattan School of Music, or the Colorado School of Mines?</p>
<p>I pick colorado school of mines for physical aspect and MSM for mental aspect. So now it is a tug of war between mind and body.</p>
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<p>It’s not- at least not in my experience (which is a lot wrt prep and boarding schools). At my son’s school it was all about fit. The counselor (who was awesome) came back from a summer college tour really excited about a few places- one of which was Kalamazoo. Anyone who understands education at all knows there is not just a handful of great schools or one that is the be all and end all for everyone.</p>