To whomever banned calculators on AP Chem:

[brandigirl]

<p>Wait when did this ban happen!!! So I can’t use my Calc my chem. teacher did not tell me this omg I an going to die!!!</p>

[JimboSteve]

<p>“I see him eat pizza.”</p>

<p>“To” is a preposition. “To whomever banned calculators” is a prepositional phrase. “I see him eat pizza” contains no prepositional phrases, so of course you don’t need to make “him” the subject of a prepositional phrase. If you want a better comparative case, try </p>

<p>“I see him as him eats pizza.”</p>

<p>If you want a few more incorrect cases:</p>

<p>“To him whom dances alone.”
“I can hear Daisy Gatz as her sings.”</p>

<p>With the possible corrections:</p>

<p>“To he who dances alone.”
“I can hear Daisy Gatz as she sings.”</p>

<p>A few illustrative examples:</p>

<p>“I spoke to him about how he kept me up late last night with his loud party.”
“Hitchens? I saw him speak once at a convention that he attended.”</p>

[JimboSteve]

<p>And if you want to argue that the past tense changes anything, examine</p>

<p>“I saw him when him ate pizza.”</p>

[JimboSteve]

<p>If you don’t want to take my word for it, give these a try: </p>

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Take a clause like “whoever did this.” We use “whoever” because it’s the subject of “did.” Now take a clause like “whomever I hire.” We use “whomever” because it’s the object of “hire.” … When you use these noun clauses as subjects or objects in larger sentences, the picture gets more complicated. Suppose the noun clause “whoever did this” is part of a sentence like “I want to speak to whoever did this.” Uh-oh, you may think, “whoever” is the object of “to,” and it should be “whomever”! </p>

<p>But you’d be wrong—“whoever” was the right choice when we were thinking about the clause “whoever did this” by itself, and it’s still the right choice now. But what about that “to,” in “I want to speak** to whoever did this”**? The answer is that the object of “to” is not “whoever.” It’s the entire clause “whoever did this.”

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<p>SOURCE: [Grammar</a> Girl : Whoever or Whomever? :: Quick and Dirty Tips](<a href=“http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/whomever-whoever.aspx]Grammar”>http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/whomever-whoever.aspx)</p>

<p>Or maybe</p>

<p>

Give it to whoever/whomever asks for it first.
Give it to him. He asks for it first.
Therefore, Give it to whoever asks for it first.

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<p>SOURCE: [Whoever</a> and Whomever | Grammar Rules](<a href=“http://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/whoever.asp]Whoever”>Whoever vs. Whomever | Grammar Rules and Examples)</p>

<p>Or</p>

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… **every verb needs a subject <a href=“the%20implied%20“you”%20is%20the%20subject%20of%20“ask””>/b</a>, and subjects of sentences are always in the nominative case. Therefore, in the question about whether it’s “whoever” or “whomever,” it’s gotta be “he” (or “she”). So, <a href=“nominative%20case”>“Ask whoever comes this way for directions,”</a> is correct. </p>

<p>This rule supersedes all other rules as it relates to “who” and “whom.”

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<p>SOURCE: [Sorry</a>, it’s “whoever”](<a href=“http://web.ku.edu/~edit/whomever1.html]Sorry”>http://web.ku.edu/~edit/whomever1.html)</p>

[enfieldacademy]

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You kids really want to get in a debate about grammar with ME? I got an 80 on the PSAT Writing section and an 80 on the MC portion of the SAT writing section.

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<p>the SAT writing sections only test you on the simplest kind of grammar mistakes. It does not actually ever test you on Who vs. Whom.</p>

[fascination]

<p>Guys this isn’t a thread on grammar… calm down.</p>

[retrohippo]

<p>JimboSteve is correct. </p>

<p>I thought my contribution would be valuable.</p>

[JimboSteve]

<p>Grammar, calculators with large memories that can store chem flashcards, whatever. It’s all the same thing anyway.</p>

<p>I do have trouble believing that they’d ban scientific calculators, though.</p>

[Descuff]

<p>If they banned calculators I’m assuming the numbers are low.</p>

[Rusty84]

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<p>implying that the title wasn’t a ploy to test people’s grammar
I wasn’t being facetious about my SAT/PSAT scores, though.</p>

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<p>^More often than not, the numbers are NOT easy to work with. Very small fractions and very awkward fractions are not uncommon. It is also common to be required to work with fractions in multiple steps of 1 question, exponentially raising the risk for silly errors.</p>

[supersaian]

<p>^ yes, play it off real cool, you were just testing them, hehehe</p>

<p>On topic: this sounds pretty annoying. I’m taking IB chem next year (which as far as I know doesn’t ban calculators) and I had planned to take the AP test at the end of the year. I dunno if I should follow through with that now.</p>

[semaphore12]

<p>This is interesting, but I don’t think I’ll have too many problems since I’m pretty good at arithmetic.</p>

<p>On a side note:</p>

<p>It’s whoever because the whoever/whomever is outside of the “to”.
It’s not whoever/whomever that’s the object of the preposition, it’s the entire clause
“whoever banned calculators”</p>

[Rusty84]

<p>^ I know, I was aware of the error before I posted this thread.</p>

<p>^^ The calculator rule shouldn’t discourage you from taking the exam. The annoyance only shows up in a few (5-7) problems, and most of them are relatively simple to do. It’s just very, very, irritating to be taken out of your groove by having to do pointless fractional calculations with pencil and paper.</p>

[JimboSteve]

<p>LOLSAUCE</p>

<p>10charmanders</p>

[314159265]

<p>OP, have you perhaps been taking MC questions from the 1990’s (or even earlier)? I remember from my AP Chem class last year that the more recent Chem MC sections had much more manageable arithmetic while older tests had more complicated math (presumably because scientific calculators and/or slide rules were probably still allowed back then).</p>

[HeyBud]

<p>Does anyone know how realistic the Princeton Review practice tests are?</p>

[HeyBud]

<p>I was just raging about that a few minutes ago. I don’t understand why they can’t just make the numbers easy to work with. If we understand the concept why can’t we just get that question correct? Why do we have to spend precious minutes trying to figure out what .134/.670 equals? Pretty pointless if you ask me…</p>

[semaphore12]

<p>@Rusty84
How frequently do those kinds of question appear?</p>

[Descuff]

<p>Square root? man, seriously? How am I suppose to find the square root of 23414501?</p>