<p>Also RML don't you think that Oxford and Cambridge are also higher than they should be based on your statement about Imperial? Being that currently, Imperial is not that far off from Oxbridge in research output excep that it has a narrow scope in terms of research..</p>
I think Columbia, Penn, Duke, Michigan, Cornell, JHU and Northwestern are better than UCLA, as a university, as a whole.
<p>I guess. Most of those universities are peers imo, but w/e. UCLA is absolutely beastly in health sciences, including its hospital, and it doesn't do too bad in a lot of graduate programs either. (As evidenced by this ranking.)</p>
<p>Furthermore, some people like to point out that schools like Berkeley trump UCLA in reputation, but neglect to mention that this hardly makes a difference in the ranking as a whole (e.g. Berkeley has 89.8 points; UCLA has 86.3)</p>
<p>Not sure about here but UCLA is probably overrated in the USN engineering ranking. They significantly overstated (like 2 or 3x) their NAE number. Maybe alums like beyphy can write them a letter.
<p>Lol, even if those numbers are overrated, UCLA is hardly the only university to exaggerate some figure to improve its ranking (e.g. student to faculty ratios.)</p>
<p>Ah, I see Boston College beats out Georgetown once again -- 135 vs 160. Work on it, Hoyas.</p>
<p>Look away from the sour reject Jimmy, not all of us have to be condemned to Backup College.</p>
<p>Out of the top 20 schools on that list, UCLA is the only significantly over-ranked. But hey, even UC Santa Barbara is ranked higher than Georgetown, Brown, and Dartmouth. So I guess the ranking is very messed up.</p>
<p>I don't understand the hate on the UCs here. They all have excellent grad programs. They are in the top 10 most applied to schools. They are very selective. And the amount if research that comes out of there is astonishing. What school has a better chance of success: a school with 25,000 highly qualified students or a school with 6,000 highly qualified students.</p>
<p>They hate California weather. Google should open a university to make California even more hateful</p>
<p>Duke and JHU seem ranked a bit high considering they're not really known for having strong programs across the board. Are they being carried by their medical schools? It seems medical schools can distort ratings like this since medical research is so much more expensive than other academic fields. It's that much more impressive when schools without single campus medical schools (e.g., Berkeley) are ranked highly. UT Austin vs UCLA is another example. In most academic fields, they're ranked almost the same, with each having strengths over the other. Yet UCLA has a medical school and is ranked much higher than Austin. Will be interesting to see the effect, if any, when UT Austin opens its medical school in the near future.</p>
<p>^JWT, what on earth are you talking about?</p>
<p>JHU is best known for Medicine. But it's very well ranked ranked in Education, Bio, chemistry, Physics, History, Public health, engineering (most of its engineering fields are within the top 20 or top 15), international relations, english, economics and statistics. Several of the prior mentioned fields are ranked among the top 10 or top 5. </p>
<p>Even without medicine, JHU would more than hold its own against other schools on that list.</p>
<p>Are you pulling these statements out of thin air?</p>
It seems medical schools can distort ratings like this since medical research is so much more expensive than other academic fields... UT Austin vs UCLA is another example. In most academic fields, they're ranked almost the same, with each having strengths over the other. Yet UCLA has a medical school and is ranked much higher than Austin. Will be interesting to see the effect, if any, when UT Austin opens its medical school in the near future.
<p>UCLA's medical school isn't the only health science it does well in. UCLA's hospital ranks 5th in the nation. It also has the best hospital on the west coast, a position it's had for nearly 30 years.</p>
<p>It's dental school is also among the best in the nation, and its medical school will likely increase significantly in quality due to Geffen's 100m donation for scholarships.</p>
<p>Sure, UTA and UCLA may not be much different in graduate programs, but there are a number of other programs universities can have other than just graduate programs. I imagine that health sciences generate a ton of research, and this is what gives UCLA an edge in the THE ranking.</p>
<p>Furthermore, UCLA is in the second tier of universities (also includes Princeton, TokyoU, and Yale) with strong reputations, which certainly gives it a boost within the ranking. UCLA's reputation scores it 35 points; Austin reputation gives it around 11 points.</p>
<p>JWT is the UT-Austin version of me. :-)<br>
I always agree with what he says...he makes such logical arguments.<br>
Ut-Austin will have their own med school in several years thanks to Mr. Dell.
Berkeley's is still across the Bay.</p>
<p>UCLA has absolutely no renowned majors. It may be known for film, but USC and NYU trump that.</p>
Berkeley's is still across the Bay.
<p>That's funny, I don't see "University of CaliforniaBerkeley" in either of these lists for best/top medical schools. </p>
<p>This leads us to one of two conclusions:</p>
<p>1) Berkeley has no medical school or
2) Berkeley's medical school is not a best/top medical school.</p>
<p>Either conclusion is fine by me ;)</p>
UCLA has absolutely no renowned majors.
<p>In the NRC-95 rankings, UCLA was:</p>
<h1>3 in linguistics</h1>
<h1>4 in psychology</h1>
<h1>5 in philosophy</h1>
<h1>5 in sociology</h1>
<h1>6 in history</h1>
<h1>8 in political science</h1>
<p>In the current QS World University rankings, UCLA is:</p>
<h1>3 in linguistics</h1>
<h1>6 in sociology</h1>
<h1>7 in psychology</h1>
<h1>8 in history</h1>
<h1>10 in mathematics</h1>
<h1>12 in english language & lit</h1>
<h1>16 in politics and international studies</h1>
<h1>17 in philosophy</h1>
<p>In the current USNWR department rankings, UCLA is:</p>
<h1>2 in psychology</h1>
<h1>8 in mathematics (#2 in logic, #2 in applied math, #3 in analysis)</h1>
<h1>9 in history</h1>
<h1>9 in sociology</h1>
<h1>10 in political science</h1>
<h1>10 in english</h1>
<p>Then there's film, in which Hollywood Reporter pegged them at #4.
I don't know what is the threshold for "renowned", but I would think top 10 or so ought to qualify.</p>
<p>Shut down ^^^</p>
<p>I said "renowned" not merely good. When you think of UCLA what majors is it known for? It's mostly known as the more fun sports UC. The Southern Branch.</p>
<p>Even lower UCs are known for their academic majors. UCSD = Bioengineering; UC Davis = Veterinary sciences, agricultural; UCSB = physics and creative studies. UCLA = ???? Film?</p>
<p>Bephy, there is another conclusion which you don't want to accept...Cal has a medical campus called UCSF. Read the history.</p>
Even lower UCs are known for their academic majors. UCSD = Bioengineering; UC Davis = Veterinary sciences, agricultural; UCSB = physics and creative studies. UCLA = ???? Film?
<p>UCLA has a strong and robust alumni network in film. In terms of representation, it's probably second only to USC.</p>
<p>I don't think people come to UCLA for a particular major, and that's probably a good thing. They come for a well rounded college experience, with great opportunities, and top academics in several fields. I actually did come for a major (UCLA was a very important institution in the history of analytic philosophy due to its relationship with Rudolph Carnap.) However, I can't say that i knew many others that did.</p>
<p>But yes, many of UCLA's alums are pre-professional, which is why is also why it's not known for drawing students from a particular major. The university has the largest undergraduate representation in the California bar, is generally one of the top 2 ABA feeders (in terms of applicants,) and one of the top 2 med school feeders (in terms of applicants.) </p>
<p>Talking with the students, you'd find out that many liberal arts majors are pre-law/pre-graduate school; science majors are either pre-med or some other health science related profession (pre-dent/pre-nurse); Comp. sci and engineering students will likely look for work in their major fields afterwards; Biz-econ students go into business (perhaps later getting an MBA); communications students go into marketing/PR, etc.</p>
<p>But even if UCLA isn't particularly well known for a major, its students still do well even in fields the university may not be 'renown' for.</p>
<p>^it's alright. I will always hold UCLA with greater esteem than berkeley. And that's before I even graduated from Stanford. Unlike berkeley, UCLA doesn't have to game its undergraduate admissions with spring admits.</p>
I said "renowned" not merely good. When you think of UCLA what majors is it known for?
<p>When you think of Yale, what majors is it known for?
Hmm, I'd have to think.
When you think of Georgetown, what majors is it known for?
International Relations immediately comes to mind.</p>
<p>When you think of Harvard, what majors is it particularly known for?
Again, I'd have to think.
When you think of Chicago, what majors is it known for?
Economics immediately comes to mind.</p>
<p>How about the University of Iowa?
Its Creative Writing program is rather renowned.
As is the English department at tiny Kenyon College.
Yet I can't think of any one program in particular for which Brown University is renowned.</p>
<p>In driving up the THE rankings, what matters more than anything else is "research influence". The key factor is journal citations.</p>
Harvard? of course law and business.
Yale? I can immediately say law and english.</p>
<p>^ I'm not implying its weak. I just said it doesn't have any "renowned" or "extraordinary" majors.</p>