<p>For all those jumping on the quality of life issues of Penn/UVA, consider this – while UVA affords an undergraduate a very fun/social environment while in college, 75% of its graduates are from instate, and a huge % will stay in state. A huge % of Penn graduates will move to NYC. So, compare a good ol’time in 4 yrs of undergrad, vs. a lifetime of close-knit people that went to college with you, being all around you and giving you a ready made social life in a strange city (I assume you are not from NYC, otherwise you wouldnt be so concerned about breaking into IB). The only other alumni group that is closer to each other in NYC than Penn, are the people from Duke, followed by Dartmouth.</p>