<p>Would profiling catch these guys?</p>
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<p>There are some interesting numbers out there that I read recently.</p>
<p>[Protests</a> Mount Over Safety And Privacy Of Airport Scanners : Shots - Health News Blog : NPR](<a href=“Protests Mount Over Safety And Privacy Of Airport Scanners : Shots - Health News : NPR”>Protests Mount Over Safety And Privacy Of Airport Scanners : Shots - Health News : NPR)</p>
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<p>So your risk of dying from cancer** every time you go through the machine** is the same (actually greater) as the risk of dying in a terrorist attack. lol wow…
But the article makes the great point that there are people that fly very very regularly. They would be at much greater risk from this radiation. And even discounting that, you’re talking about a large population here when talking about the number of people who fly in a given year. As the article says, this is a public health issue.</p>
<p>I just watched the “Don’t touch my junk” video, and to me the most chilling part occurs at the end (starting at 13:23 if you’re watching the video). </p>
<p>To set the scene: Mr. Tyner has objected to the TSA fondling and to the naked-photo scan. A TSA employee has told him that his only other option is to leave. He tells them he wants to do that, and returns to ticketing for his refund. He is told that he must return to the screening area to complete the screening. He refuses, saying that he no longer has a ticket and will not be flying today. He is then approached by a beefy TSA official with a notepad. What ensues should never occur outside a fascist state:</p>
<p>TSA: For your benefit, can I get a contact number?
Tyner: For my benefit?
TSA: Yes sir.
Tyner: I think we’re done. My benefit has been achieved.
TSA: No sir, I’m trying to give you some mitigating factors in your favor. Cooperation is one of those mitigating factors.
Tyner: I’m sorry, meaning what?
TSA: Meaning – remember the civil penalties I told you that you could be subject to for failing to [unintelligible]
Tyner: So are you going to subject him and this officer and the four TSA members who escorted me out to those same penalties?
TSA: No sir, I am not.
Tyner: They directed me to break the law, and escorted me out, and told me that my only choice was to leave the airport.
TSA: [consulting his notepad] Tyner? Was it Tyner?
Tyner: I think you’ve got a record of it back there. All my pertinent information is on the record [unintelligible]
TSA: Well I’m just trying to be polite and call you by your name.
Tyner: My name is John.
TSA: John, OK, John.<br>
Tyner: I would like to leave.
TSA: And I understand.
Tyner: So can I leave?
TSA: What I’m asking you to do is cooperate with me for a minute.
Tyner: I’ve already cooperated with your officer and –
TSA: [interrupts] No, actually you cooperated with them, you didn’t cooperate with me.
Tyner: Well, I cooperated with them. They asked me to leave the airport. I went and got my ticket refunded. I’d like to be on my way.
TSA: So you want to be non-cooperative with me as well.
Tyner: I don’t understand why I have to be cooperative with you. You’re preventing me from leaving the airport.
TSA: I’m not preventing you from doing anything. [the agent appears to be standing between Tyner and the exit]
Tyner: So I can leave.
TSA: If that’s your choice, you go ahead. What I’m trying to do is –
Tyner: [interrupts] I would like to leave now. If I’m free to go, I would like to leave.
TSA: What I’m trying to do is get you to cooperate so as, like I said –
Tyner: [interrupts] To what end?
TSA: To the end that it would look better for you, when we bring the case against you, that we’re going to bring, OK, that you cooperate. That’s all.
Tyner: You bring that case.</p>
<p>Sorry if this link to a radio interview has been previously posted. Just picked it up from my FB feed. </p>
<p>[Meg</a> McLain Singled out by the TSA, Cuffed to a Chair, Her Ticket Ripped up - NaturalNews.tv](<a href=“Brighteon”>Brighteon)</p>
<p>Wow, LasMa–that is shocking.</p>
<p>Yikes LasMa, that exchange really bothers me. How can anyone think this is a good thing for our country.</p>
<p>Bring on the body scanners and full body pat down. I would rather board a plane where everyone including the pilots and other staff have been searched.</p>
<p>The world changed on September 11th so when I board a plane I would like to know that someone is’nt on that plane headed into another building. I hope they beef up security the way Israel has been doing it for decades.</p>
<p>I don’t want to go through the scanner and I don’t want my family going through it either. My reasoning is that I don’t think that anyone really knows the true health risks of those things. I would rather go through a pat down and I would rather that my family chooses this route too. I listened to part of the interview of Meg McLain, and it is so disturbing!</p>
<p>I would give up any thought of personal rights to ensure personal safety…fighting for rights post September 11th is outrageous and the people that want to see security go backwards should travel by car IMHO.</p>
<p>momma-three, I am all for the Israeli style security, but that’s not what the TSA is doing.</p>
<p>The exchange doesn’t bother me so much - it’s just an idiot with perceived power. There are police on the street like that, teachers in our schools like that, etc. The TSA guy knew he had no power to proceed or else he would have cuffed the guy and been done with it. The passenger should have taken this TSA guys info down and sent a letter to his Congressman. It was intimidation by a guy who had little power and was ****ed off by people not “respecting” him for doing his job so he took it out on this one passenger who was creating the most disturbance.</p>
<p>The TSA scanners at the airport are caught in the middle, they have a job to do whether they agree with it or not and get all the abuse from those of us who disagree strongly. They do this for 8 hours each day, are concerned they might let someone through who shouldn’t be allowed through, and take all sorts of verbal abuse. The system is bad and inefficient but it’s not their choice, they have to follow it. Making exceptions and thinking are above their pay grade.</p>
<p>If you think we couldn’t do El Al type security because they have so few airports and we have so many…not so. Our TSA staff is proportionately the same size (manpower per airport) as theirs. Would the training take too long? Come on, this is the United States of America. If the highest levels of our government mandated that this get done in a week or two, it would.</p>
<p>Momma-three, have you read the previous posts explaining that all the scanners and enhanced pat-downs used today are not making you any safer? They only make you think you are safer.</p>
<p>I repeat, any body cavity can contain the bomb that’s going to blow up your plane, any minor surgery can implant the bomb that’s going to blow up your plane, and lest you think that people wouldn’t resort to these tactics, be aware that drug runners (called mules) have been using them successfully for years.</p>
<p>Bombs inserted or implanted in the body absolutely will not show up on today’s controversial scanners and they absolutely will not be felt by today’s controversial enhanced pat downs.</p>
<p>So your defense of these tactics that are objectionable to so many people, on the grounds that they make you safer, is false.</p>
<p>I’m certainly not here to defend the TSA. I’m as outraged as anyone else about these enhanced pat-downs and scanners. But the Meg McLain thing happened at my local airport so I’ve followed the news accounts. TSA released the video (no audio) of the incident. There are quite a few discrepancies on the video from what McLain said occurred. Here’s a link to two videos taken from different vantage points - judge for yourself.
[New</a> Video From Meg McLain’s Fort Lauderdale Airport Security Incident - Broward Palm Beach News - The Juice](<a href=“http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/juice/2010/11/full_body_scanners_video_from_meg_mclains.php]New”>http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/juice/2010/11/full_body_scanners_video_from_meg_mclains.php)
I didn’t see any handcuffs, nor did I see the agent grab her by the arm and pull her out of the line or tear her ticket in half. She was wiping her tears with a paper towel throughout the video, contrary to her statement that she couldn’t wipe her face because she was cuffed to the chair.</p>
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<p>Here’s what’s wrong with profiling…</p>
<p>On April 20, 1999, two students walked into Columbine High and killed 13 people, injured 24.</p>
<p>As a nation, we certainly don’t want that to happen again (unfortunately, it did at Virginia Tech in 2007 because we didn’t install any security measures), so we need to start patting down the students who fit the profile of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. These students need to be scanned and patted down every time they enter the school building.</p>
<p>Let’s see…Harris and Klebold were white males, middle to upper-middle class and liked to play video games.</p>
<p>So…would * you* be okay with your white middle-class son having to stand in a separate line every morning to be searched while all the female, Asian, Hispanic and African-American students walked in without so much as a glance. Though, since Virgina Tech, we would have to add Asian males to the pat-down line.</p>
<p>Or…maybe we should profile white male ex-army Bronze Star winners because that describes Timothy McVeigh - who was responsible for the deadliest terrorist attack in the US prior to 9/11.</p>
<p>People are fine with profiling as long as it’s not their profile. </p>
<p>It’s not about being politically correct. It’s about not singling out a specific group of innocent people simply because a few members committed horrible crimes.</p>
<p>By doing so, we are basically saying if you are Arabic, you are capable of committing terrible crimes but if you are not Arabic…well, we know you would never do * anything* like that, so ( wink, wink, nod, nod) just step right on that plane.</p>
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<p>Right, TSA is not law enforcement; that’s why the guy did not, and could not have, cuffed Tyner. That’s why the guy spoke about a civil proceeding, not a criminal prosecution. Initially the TSA was going to hit Tyner with a $10,000 fine and a possible civil suit. They have since backed down, in view of the public outrage. But that doesn’t change the fact that apparently, TSA can force you to complete a screening even after you’ve decided not to take the flight. Does this policy make sense to anyone?</p>
<p>Ugg! Just last month the airport D flies out of from school closed the economy parking due to budget cuts, and now they are instituting the new body scan equipment on Tuesday, the day she is flying home.</p>
<p>I just checked, and thankfully the airport at our end does not yet have one, probably because it is overshadowed by O’Hare.</p>
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<p>I have no idea if this is fact or not, but it would make sense to me if there were doing random screening. If a person wanted to do harm, but backed out if selected for a body scan only to try to fly the a few days later when not selected, there could be a tragedy.</p>
<p>I’m watching CNN as we speak. The head of the TSA could not answer the question “What’s over the line?” about the patdowns. So I guess anything goes. TSA can stick fingers in your rectum, and that would be OK per its head.</p>
<p>odds of dying in a car crash-- approximately 1 in 18,000</p>
<p>odds of dying in a plane crash (all types, not just terrorism), approx. 1 in 350,000</p>
<p>I’m assuming you “personal safety at any cost folks” don’t get in cars. Otherwise, it’s hard to take you seriously.</p>
<p>Garland,
I think those statistics are affected by base rates - e.g the number of cars on the road vs the number of planes in the air. Because there are so many more cars on the road than planes in the air, the likelihood of having an incident with a car than a plane will be higher.</p>