@data10, just curious do you know how many years Princeton as been ranked the #1 university and who was ranked #1 before Princeton became #1? Was wondering if Harvard or Yale have ever been #1? I recall Stanford was #1 in during the 1980s. Would be interesting to see the history and how schools have shifted over time.
My post above mentioned that Stanford was #1 in the initial rankings based on college president survey, then Yale was #1 in the first ranking with weightings, then Harvard was #1 for several years after the rankings were tweaked. Princeton was first ranked #1 later⊠in 1998 and has been regularly been ranked #1 since then.
I believe one of HYP have always been ranked #1 in every year since they started using weightings, except for 2000. In 2000, USNWR standardized their variables, which led to Caltech jumping to #1, ahead of HYP in #2 to #4. After much criticism from confused readers, USNWR modified their expenditure per student formula in a way that disadvantaged Caltech and applied an adjustor on statistical outliers, like Caltech .This returned HYP to #1 to #3 in the following year, above Caltech at #4.
Or is it that they are trying to reverse engineer a ranking that approximates popular perception?
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Thatâs part of it. I also think USNWR rankings have become well known enough that they can also have a strong influence on what popular perception is, particularly among those choosing to participate in the USNWR survey, creating a self-perpetuating system. This is more significant for rankings of smaller schools or specific departments within schools.
For example, I previously mentioned that Williams has been the number 1 ranked LAC for each of the past 18 years. The top 3 are almost always Williams, Amherst, and Swarthmore⊠in that order. Some of the âacademicsâ who choose to fill out the USNWR 1 = marginal to 5 = distinguished peer survey are influenced by seeing them top the rankings each year, increasingly the likelyhood that theyâll mark Williams, Amherst, and Swarthmore as âdistinguished.â This peer survey is the highest weighted component of the rankings.
The peer survey results are not free. When a CC poster listed them in 2013, the survey results were as follows. Bowdoin, Middlebury, Pomona, and others are unlikely to break in to the top 3 until they can overcome this large gap in their ranking on the âmarginalâ / âdistinguishedâ peer survey. So I expect the top 3 to remain the same in future years, unless USNWR makes substantial methodology changes.
Williams â 4.7 out of 5
Amherst/Swarthmore â 4.6 out of 5
â Large Gap â
Bowdoin / Middlebury / Pomona / Carleton / Weselley â 4.3 out of 5
Various others â 4.2 out of 5
For mathematical reasons, Swarthmore, with an overall score of 95, could, even in the near term, tie or be overtaken by one or more of the five colleges with current overall scores in the 93â94 range.
Fair enough. Williams and Amherst have consistently taken the #1 and #2 spots since 2004 and still appear to have a good sized lead over others, based on overall score. However, the gap is smaller for Swarthmore, and in multiple recent years Swartmore has tied for 3rd with another college.
The point still remains that the rankings are perpetuated by influencing which schools participating âacademicsâ choose to mark as âdistinguishedâ in the USNWR sponsored survey. Had there not been such a gap difference between the portion of participating survey respondents marking Swarthmore as âdistinguishedâ and Pomona/Wellesley/Bowdoin/CMC/Carleton/⊠, as âdistinguished,â the latter would have overtaken Swarthmore in the current rankings.
@Data10: If you havenât done so already, you may want to read âThe Impact of U.S. News & World Report College Rankings on Admissions,â an analysis that found evidence for the recursive aspects of USN rankings along lines related to the ideas you have discussed in recent posts.