UC Berkeley College Republicans and their Bake Sale

[beyphy]

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I was talking about equality of opportunity (from childhood), not equality of result. Equality of opportunity is an American value; equality of result is a Marxist value. Unemployment rates reflect result, not opportunity.

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<p>the two are intertwined. If child A has parents who had a better ‘result’ than child B, then child A has more opportunity than child B. And hence, child A and B don’t have equality of opportunity because A’s parents can offer more than B’s parents can. (e.g. tutors) Sure, child B can work harder and get the same results, but if B has to do that then, again, they’re not equal.</p>

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Same job title and different salaries does not mean discrimination. Women often make less than men with the same job title and company because they work fewer hours/week or hours/year. Statistics that attempt to show discrimination there are highly misleading because they do not factor that in–all they go by is job title (or something equivalent) and gender.

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<p>your claim reeks of sexism (and also falsity)</p>

<p>[Equal</a> Pay and the Gender Gap: Men Still Outearn Women - TIME](<a href=“http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1983185,00.html]Equal”>http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1983185,00.html)</p>

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because they BELIEVE that privates are higher quality. or they may want the religious affiliation of a particular private school. or any of several reasons. Public schools have certain opportunities that privates simply can not offer. I need to get back to class soon, but we can go on further if you want.

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<p>Yes, i’m sure people go to schools like Phillips Exeter Academy for the LACK of opportunities it offers :rolleyes:</p>

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Asians have “overrepresentation” because Oriental cultures collectively value education and professional success much more than Blacks and Hispanics. This is not a statement of individual people, just aggregates.

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<p>so then we should have racial AA on the basis that their cultures don’t have education and professional success as collective values. I don’t see what the problem is here.</p>

<p>Essentially what you’re arguing is it’s essentially bad luck (let’s call it cultural-value luck) which determines why these people do worse. If such a luck exists, and a given group of people have it and others don’t, then we should try to make up for that luck by offering it to the groups of people who weren’t lucky enough to have it. And hence, still have racial AA.</p>

<p>Of course this doesn’t mean individuals are determined to not go to college, but speaking in terms of percentages of millions of people, one individuals accomplishment doesn’t suddenly refute the lack of accomplishment of dozens of others.</p>