UChicago Braces for $220M Deficit

Marlowe, the value of protecting free expression is good and vital on its own terms regardless of its effect on eminence. That eminence is enhanced from this value a great consequence, whether intended or unintended. Multiple variables can enhance or degrade eminence, not just free expression, but the pursuit of eminence should always be primary through the optimization these variables. Finally, the abandonment of free expression will never cause an enhancement of eminence.

Does that answer your question?

^^ Btw, Yale might have chosen to give a special honor to that poor residential college head who got bullied by the inmates running the asylum, but that was probably to appease either him or their donor base. Yale has continued to make plenty of flaky decisions at the behest of their students. Not sure Yale is a good example of “lesson learned.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/nyregion/yale-professor-protests-christakis-honored-sterling.html

JBS, Chicago;'s letter in 2016 did increase its eminence just by the very fact that it generated a huge amount of publicity, attention, and conversation that put Chicago squarely in the national debate as the leader of one side of a controversial topic. The fact that a small minority of students, parents, and even potential donors were unhappy is outweighted by the vast majority of right-wing conservatives, moderate conservatives, libertarians, moderate liberals, and liberals who appreciated that Chicago was courageous and defiant when others were not.

The fact that some snowflakes decided not to apply is good and bad. Good because they had the self-realization that they probably wouldn’t be a good fit at Chicago, but bad because their short-sighted thinking probably harms them in the long run because once they hit the real world in 4 years, they will soon realize that no one cares about their feelings and they would have been stronger and more resilient had they been willing to confront uncomfortable ideas in a place that actually wants to hear their ideas.

This is no different from students who hate sports, they probably shouldn’t go to Alabama. On the other hand, they will never know what they missed out on by spending 4 years locked up in the library vs expanding their social universe and experiencing moments of mindless joy by attending football games with their peers on Saturdays.

JBS, like you, I’m glad that our alma mater finally recognized (and effectively apologized) to Professor Christakis…

But all this confirms is that Yale realized that its eminence had taken a severe hit overall, and they tried to make up for their mistake.

I agree with your opinions, Zoom. Whether they represent fact is another matter.

“Eminence” has a word origin meaning “to jut or project out.” It’s typically associated with “fame or recognized superiority.” Not sure that UC has stirred the pot on “no safe spaces” in order to achieve either. However, if you are implying that UC meant to be “stand out” and that it views what other universities were allowing as not only contrary to the principles of a research institution but also rather “low” conduct, then I agree with you. IMO, UChicago clearly wanted to be “emanant” when it came to setting that good example of action and conduct becoming a great university (or really, any university). Ideas should be freely debated, even vigorously defended or critiqued, and the manner should remain civilized. In fact, perhaps UC felt it was time to set the standard there.

Fortunately no Yale grad here! My brother was dinged by them but accepted to Harvard once upon a time, thus proving that “What do H and Y students have in common? Both were accepted to Yale” doesn’t apply to quite everyone.

Anyhoo sure it recognized that it made a mistake. And so it gives out its highest academic award to make up for it, thus chucking the original intent of the honor. Not saying that Prof. Christakis didn’t deserve it. Maybe he did and this is all a coincidence. But coming as it did on the heels of how the professor and his wife were mistreated, I’m not betting on it. This seems more like how the Miss America pageant “coincidentally” selected Miss Utah in the wake of the Vanessa Williams scandal and resignation over those Penthouse photos. The contestant was no doubt worthy of the title (as were others) and prior events pushed her over the finish line.

JBS, that’s basically what I mean when I opined that Chicago issued its letter to be a contrarian leader. Just using the word contrarian seems stupid in this context because one would think that vigorous defense of free expression is the acknowledged universal norm such that those who try to prevent free expression are the real contrarians. Such a sad state of affairs at many universities today, but the real world is the ultimate teacher.

^ It’s a topsy-turvy world. However, I like to think that there are still a few grownups around to try to set things a-right.

BTW, that quote of Zimmer’s about inclusion really hit home. A few months ago, @marlowe1 made a post concerning the English Department’s open letter which seemed to stress a “culture of inclusiveness” as a priority. Of course, different posters had different interpretations (not surprisingly for this forum) and it stirred it’s own pot of debate and discussion. You should check it out if interested. Especially if your DS was planning to major in English! :wink:

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-chicago/2177194-the-english-department-open-letter-p1.html

Part of this debate seems to be:

What is driving the bus? Chicago’s principles or its pursuit of eminence?

It looks like @marlowe1 and @JBStillFlying lean to the side of the principles - that values in free speech (or academic inquiry, or whatever) drive Chicago’s decision making, more than its pursuit of eminence/standing vis a vis its peers.

@Zoom10 , I believe, argues that eminence is the primary goal, and is the primary driver. There can be secondary and tertiary goals, but Chicago’s primary purpose is to increase its standing in its endeavors.

Do I have this right?

Finally, I look at this with a historical perspective: “Old” Chicago (pre-1990s/Sonnenschein) was basically the University version of Reed College. Old Chicago showed little interest in chasing eminence in the same way as it peers (read: focus on US News Rankings, grad placement, etc.). It was happy to be excellent (as Reed is), but in its own way. Chicago switched gears in the 90s, mainly under Sonnenschein.

“New” Chicago commissioned McKinsey to write a report on improvement (as Lexus did, apparently), and then went about making all those changes we’ve discussed ad nauseam here. It followed the McKinsey recommendations to offer more ivy league-like features (and advertise heavily). Moreover, it found the right people for the right jobs for this “new” approach (see: Admissions and Marketing guru James Nondorf, or the former Athletic Director Erin McDermott). It focused much more on metrics that offer eminence (US News, yield, retention rates, etc.) and made the necessary changes to improve its figures on this front. The playbook wasn’t brand new - lots of colleges, including Penn, Columbia, Johns Hopkins, and others have followed the strategies Chicago undertook. (For instance, at Penn, former Admissions Dean Lee Stetson is, in some ways, James Nondorf’s spirit animal - a master marketer who started an innovation - Early Decision - that changed admissions practices all over.)

What are thoughts on that historical perspective?

^ No.

  • First of all, we haven't seen any documentation suggesting a "McKinsey Report" and it's not mentioned in the university's history (or the College's?). No doubt @MohnGedachtnis is remembering something of the sort. But from what he was saying, those points were merely repeats of what Sonnenschein got rolling maybe 8 years earlier. I believe, Cue, that you have given that "McKinsey Report" outsized importance. If someone can track down an actual reference to it, that might be clarifying.
  • Second, UChicago DID care about "eminence" back before Sonnenschein. Eminence here refers to academic dominance as a great university. They understood that this was in definite jeopardy due to lack of endowment. The plan to grow the College came directly from the dire need for funds. This was very likely why the trustees felt an outsider such as Sonnenschein was needed. No one inside the university was willing to do the ground work or fight the battles necessary to make this happen.

Cue, why would preserving values it already has be Chicago’s primary goal instead of growing its eminence?

If you have $50 in the bank, is your primary goal to defend that $50 you already have or should it be to grow the $50 into $100 and much more?

Chicago doesn’t need to acquire something (values of free expression and academic rigor) it already has. It’s primary purpose should be to increase its eminence vis a vis its competition. In any competitive endeavor, you’re either getting better or your’re getting worse, there is no such thing as standing still even you foolishly think you’re standing still by standing still.

Your example of Reed is a good one. Where do you thinks Reed stands today in terms of eminence among liberal arts colleges? Where did it stand 30 years ago? Right, it’s eminence has gone into free fall.

Look I don’t have a dog in this fight but if this is what it’s like to argue with someone at UChicago, then I am utterly and completely exhausted…you guys, stop trying to win over each other…this thread can truly be deemed a draw!

^ LOL. @SouthernHope, you can join up, watch from the stands, or go get yourself an iced tea and move on. Choice is yours.

SouthernHope, I hear you LOL! I don’t usually post but must admit I’m bored to tears with being cooped at home. As soon as MLB, NFL and college football kick off, I’m back to doing more productive things!

OK - Snooping around the internet and and connecting some dots, I think I’ve sourced Cue’s “McKinsey Report.” First a quote from Boyer to set the stage:

“How different is our world? Our first-year attrition rate is nowadays 9 percent—still far too high in my personal opinion, but a vast improvement over even the recent past. We have built no new dorms, but we do have the splendid Shoreland and other readapted properties which seem very popular with our students. Our admissions pool is larger, but we still accept far more of our applicants than most of our peers, and as in the 1950s and 1960s they tend to be needier than the student populations of our peers. Much has already been accomplished. But the findings of Susan Kidwell’s task force, as well as the results of Richard Taub’s research, reveal that we have a considerable way to go.” - John Boyer, “Three Views of Continuity and Change at the University of Chicago,” 1996

What is Boyer comparing the 1996 College to? Well, to the 1969 College in the wake of the decision to decrease enrollments. Too many students complaining about the quality of instruction (the Hutchins Core) and the increasingly poor quality of campus and residential life over the years led to this decision. As Boyer points out, the decision was detrimental to the financial health of the university. By the 80’s this reality was very apparent - Hannah Gray managed to increase enrollment during her tenure - and by the 90’s they knew something had to be done to reverse this. Enter Hugo Sonnenshein who was the catalyst that, really, saved the university from falling into mediocrity. That’s not an exaggeration.

One of Sonnenschein’s first steps was to convene three committees: two on undergraduate and graduate education chaired by Geoff Stone (who might have been provost at the time? Not sure) and the third, on the quality of student experience, by Susan Kidwell, professor of geophysical sciences. Prof. Kidwell, upon being presented with a prestigious award from the Paleontological Society in 1996, was noted to be working on her most difficult challenge yet: “getting the University of Chicago’s undergraduate students to party.” (I’m pretty sure that got quite a bit of laughter from the crowd of paleontologists.)

Kidwell’s task force, combined with prior survey research by Prof. Richard Taub a few years earlier (the survey that revealed how 35% of the undergraduates had considered transferring at one point), served as the basis of many of the changes the University undertook to improve student life and make the College more attractive to top candidates. They had to. The university was planning to expand the size of the College.

Boyer open his “Three Views” treatise with the following words, specifically referencing McKinsey’s assistance in this endeavor:

“Last year will also go down in local history as the year of the self-study. The work of Richard Taub, Susan Kidwell and her colleagues, Andy Abbott, and the folks from McKinsey all shed various streams of light on the culture of our students and ourselves. The evidence presented in these studies and reports was sometimes contradictory, but I think that there is wide agreement that we offer a splendid academic education, one that our alumni applaud and defend, but that we may be doing so in ways—sometimes intentionally, but often unintentionally—that contribute to unproductive stress and that occasionally even engender unhealthy levels of competitiveness among our students. We have also learned that we have been recruiting a number of students to the College for whom Chicago is clearly a second or third choice or even a back-up school, and that some part of the dissatisfaction expressed by our students is related to such factors. Bluntly put, we have a wonderful College, one that is marked by the capacity of colleagues to think in general terms about liberal education in ways that our peers really envy, but, along with many of our peers, we also have problems and we need to address those problems if we are to take full advantage of the bright possibilities of our future.”

And THAT is where McKinsey came in. They assisted the task force in the mid 90’s so that President Sonnenschein could proceed with the expansion.

Here is Mohn’s comment so that we can compare what we know from the Sonnenschein initiaves to what he read in the Chronicle (or whichever mag it was that was mailed to him): University of Chicago Admit Rate and SAT relative to Ivy/Competitive Set - #113 by MohnGedachtnis - University of Chicago - College Confidential Forums

To me, pretty much all of these points are recaps of what was being discussed in the 1990’s among the university faculty and administration. References to the planned growth, the need to attract “less needy” students, turn UChicago into a school of first choice, and the need to improve the quality of student life . . . all sourced in the Sonnenschein era.

Pretty sure none of it was initiated by McKinsey (the way that, say, Lexus would require it’s assistance in figuring out why people weren’t purchasing their cars). People at UChi KNEW what was wrong. It had been decades in the making. However, no doubt that McKinsey assisted shedding some of that light that Boyer referred to.

@Cue7 - this was all happening during your time there!!!

For fun reading:
https://web.archive.org/web/20040827114410/http://www.uchicago.edu/docs/education/continuity-change/index.html#contents

@JBStillFlying for a critical view of Chicago’s more recent history, I encourage you (and others) to read: “Shakespeare, Einstein, and the Bottom Line” by Berkeley Prof David Kirp.

You can find portions of this text here: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Shakespeare_Einstein_and_the_Bottom_Line/p4_FysV_X8UC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=shakespeare+einstein+and+the+bottom+line+google+books&printsec=frontcover

In the intro and in Chapter 2, Kirp dives deeply into changes the College endured during the 90s (my time there). Per Kirp’s findings, in the mid-90s, Sonnenschein commissioned McKinsey to prepare a report on Student Life at Chicago, and offer recommendations.

To sum: McKinsey found that students were unhappy, and that many potential applicants had not even heard of the school. Their solution? To be more like the Ivy League (more “user friendly”) and to market much better. Many prominent faculty, like Andrew Abbott decried the report for being, basically, tepid consulting powerpoints masquerading as research and analysis. Abbott’s view did not win the day.

Sonnenschein agreed with McKinsey’s market sense. Behnke heeded the McKinsey Report, and did so, to great effect. Nondorf is essentially Behnke’s successor. He took Behnke’s approaches and put the program on steroids.

Essentially, Sonnenschein and his managerial nous recognized Chicago needed to improve its finances, and that drove the decision to change from (what I would call) a Reed-like, small college to a school sensitive to “market values.”

The old Chicago ethos of “small is beautiful,” and that it was, by necessity, a dirty, Spartan place was replaced, again, with a McKinsey-emphasis on being more polished.

This all aligns with what @Zoom10 says - administrators weren’t trying to change the Chicago engine, but they were trying to overhaul and market the product.

[As an aside, almost laughingly, Kirp reveals that Chicago hired a former Ford marketing exec to offer input on marketing the college.]

The tipping point - the change - seems to me when Chicago (under Sonnenschein, guided by a McKinsey report that matched Sonnenschein’s own ideas) decided to listen to the market, adopt market values (adherence to US News, the college as a revenue generator, etc.) and make the following shift:

From a Reed-like College (with a R1 research U on top) to the Academic Ivy.

I think these changes are necessary, and ultimately to the benefit of the school. But, just as we’ve unpacked “need-blind” to be less magnanimous than it initially sounds, I hope we can turn a similar cynical view to what motivates the University.

I am generally in favor of the changes, but let’s call a spade a spade. Let’s cast a critical eye to the term “need-blind” and Chicago’s party line on the school’s development.

This all, to me, seems like the interesting historical question: when did Chicago adopt market values? It’s best to assess this based on Chicago’s leadership over time.

To me, the Board started to swing in this direction at the end of the Hanna Gray era. In Kirp’s book, he described Gray’s 15+ yr reign as president as “Thacherite” in practice, and the Board felt she over-stayed in her tenure.

I view the “old” guard as Hanna Gray and Ted O’Neill. They either didn’t much care for (or disdained) the market values Kirp discusses. The “new” guard constitutes Sonnenschein, Behnke, and their brethren. Boyer is a bit of a bridge, but, frankly, strikes me as very much the new guard.

Again, at least in Kirp’s view and mine, Chicago’s more recent history can be seen through the lenses of “Old” vs. “New.”

Kirp’s analysis, and others (like some of Karabel’s work on admissions) are required reading, in my view. Behnke quotes and Boyer’s book are nice, but I prefer investigative reporting/writing to the words of institutional players.

What do you think is driving the bus here, Cue? I expected that you would weigh in to say something like, “Nothing is ever done from principle in this University. The Free Speech policy and the Ellison letter were part of a game to position this University to gain rich donors and take share away from peer institutions.” Come clean, is that the way you see it?

Zoom is still giving us a bit of bafflegab at his #141, but he does say in his first sentence or two that free speech is a value in its own right. I take that as meaning that even if it were generally unpopular (as for example it was in the Huthcins era with respect to Chicago’s toleration of free speech on the extreme Left) he would support it as being simply a value in its own right. He supports it today because he thinks it is at risk from pressures and trends at other universities, some of them very eminent ones. He wants eminence but not at all costs. He wants the right kind of eminence. Bravo. Would you go that far, Cue?

Where I join Zoom and JBS and perhaps even you, Cue, is in applauding the measures of recent years that have enhanced the reputation and, yes, eminence of the College. We all have our various hobby-horses in the discussion of how this came about. We can agree, however, that marketing and enhancement of student life played big parts. These things in turn attracted many more Chicago types to the school, thus allowing that type to flourish. Perhaps the type changed a bit, but I believe the Chicago difference from the peers schools, once it got communicated and divested of the rebarbative harshness of earlier eras, was absolutely decisive.

Others will say that success came not because of but in spite of the Chicago difference. Some will say that the difference no longer exists. We debate these things endlessly here. But, in the end, why would the success of this institution matter to any of us if it were not that this place had values that were worth defending and, yes, bringing to “eminence”?

Aristotle figured out the way of thinking about these things a long time ago when he made a distinction between final and formal causes and merely efficient and material ones. The eminence Zoom seeks for this institution are its efficient and material causes - money, power, brand-recognition, and all the means of bringing its special nature into being - its formal cause. The end and objective of it all - the bundle of values, the ethos and vision that it aspires to - that’s its final cause. Efficient and material causes are ancillary to formal and final causes, Aristotle tells us. Eminence without substance is empty. Eminence as an end in itself in the form of popularity, brand name status, and the enhanced value of the degree is trivial. And eminence that models itself on Harvard is a poor copy of the real thing.

As for being part of a herd of onlookers at an Alabama football game, sorry Zoom, wild horses could not drag me there. That is simply a circle of Hell for an echt Chicago student. I’ll pass on it for a good honest ■■■■ fight.

^ I used to characterize Chicago as having “old guard” vs. “new guard” but not so much anymore. Maybe I’ll change my mind again over time. But I think it’s very hard to peg these guys so definitively. As you note, Cue, Boyer would clearly be a bridge - he’s been there forever and was appointed by Gray to the College Deanship in 1992(?). And yet he apparently was strongly behind revising the Core (one gets that notion reading his history account as well) and of course he helped preside over some significant changes to the College and college life. I suspect he’d been in support of those changes from the outset. That’s the problem with these “neat” categorizations: they don’t tell the whole story.

Sonnenschein, the “new guard outsider,” was pushing for the same thing - an expanded College - that Kimpton had wanted 40 years prior. Even the same numbers, around 5,000. Kimpton also wanted more normal, “fun” kids and he was skewered for it by the undergrads (though probably not as brutally as Sonnenschein was).

Hannah Gray, the “old guard,” actually started expanding the size of the College before Sonnenschein (albeit more quietly). She also started the needed investment in plant. Gray was acutely aware of the financial difficulties and I doubt she was too much of a “purist” to ignore them or the need for money. That she didn’t test the 3,500 student limit to the College might easily be explained by other priorities on her plate that were just as pressing (particularly the graduate programs). The College is only one component of the university.

UChicago historically has been known for innovative intellectualism. Given all the experiments that Hutchins himself conducted on the College, the idea of expanding the size should have been seen as a consistent experiment. I think that spirit of challenging the conventional wisdom is back; ironically introduced by the “outsider-new-guard” types, but continued by true-blue UChicago people such as Zimmer. Perhaps the characterization shouldn’t be “new guard” vs. “old” but “innovative” vs. “fossilized.” Which side is more in keeping with UChicago’s spirit and philosophy? And from that perspective, where does Nondorf fit exactly? He’s “new” but he’s also innovative.

Cue, I think that Kirp’s reporting on that McKinsey report must be inaccurate. The university-wide committee on quality of student experience not only included Provost Geoff Stone but also a trustee who was a senior VP at Booz. The idea that the president brushed them all aside to look at some report from McKinsey would seem outlandish (especially as Stone was one of the “bottom line” guys!). And Andrew Abbott, supposedly the guy who had done the survey that the president ignored - was on the undergraduate education committee so had nothing to do with this issue. Kirp’s source was secondary, and it’s possible that those individuals confused Abbott with another sociologist, Richard Taub, who actually HAD done some good survey work on the College experience about 10 years earlier. Taub didn’t paint a rosy picture at the time (he was the one who found that 35% of the undergraduates had considered transferring out).

What DOES seem plausible is that McKinsey was hired to do an analysis of UChicago’s target market. Kirp mentions that Behnke had access to such a report and it revealed how UChicago wasn’t well known to potential applicants at the time. Behnke used this information to aggressively direct-mail both high school juniors and sophomores. And we thought it was Nondorf who had started all that tacky direct mailing! This explains how Behnke was able to get applications to increase.

tidbit: Kirp and Behnke were roomies at Amherst, apparently. Picked that up in a note.

One of the elements in the analysis of “what was wrong” with the old College is that it didn’t attract enough wealthy kids, and it was definitely true that there was a wealth gap with the peer schools. That started in the Hutchins era and it continued through my time in the sixties and probably right up to the last decade or so. Reforms were necessary, as we all know, but something is missing from the analysis: that the old College was a happy place for lower and middle SES. Chicago was an elite institution that was not dominated by a financial elite but by an intellectual one. It was truly egalitarian. Yes, there were wealthy kids there, but they did not set the tone. Many of them in fact liked the egalitarian atmosphere. However, the kids who especially liked it were the less wealthy ones. That should hardly be difficult to understand.

The unhappy were pretty identifiable: they were that minority of the wealthy who came to Chicago reluctantly because they had been refused at preferred ivy league schools. They were perhaps less talented academically to begin with than their ivy counterparts, but they certainly expected ivy-like amenities, prestige and social dominance. They didn’t get it, and they squawked - so loudly and so often that they rattled various Deans and Presidents, who took their critique as being representative of the student body as a whole.

Thus, while there could well have been practical independent reasons to raise the level of wealth at Chicago, I have always believed that much of the critique of the old College was misplaced and overly informed by this vocal minority. We were not all a miserable lot. I was not miserable, and my friends were not miserable. For me the place was pretty close to paradise, given what I longed for in a college education - and then actually experienced.

Some years ago a piece in the New York Times provided some glancing support for that interpretation of the situation:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/29/upshot/college-marriage-class-differences.html

Briefly, the piece surveyed college grads of a large number of universities in the classes of 2002-2006 as to the percentage who had become married by the age of 32. Those percentages were in turn broken down as among five SES categories. One very interesting statistic came to light distinguishing Chicago from all the peer schools: the lowest SES kids at Chicago were far more likely to be married (notwithstanding that for all SES categories the percentage was the lowest among peer schools). Even more striking was that there was only a very small differential (minus 2) between the rate of marriage of the low SES at Chicago and the high SES. This compares with a differential of minus 22 at Princeton ranging down to minus 7 at, I believe, Yale. Chicago’s stat was a true outlier. The author of the piece had used these statistics (though she did not refer specifically to Chicago) to make the point that the elite colleges are not happy places for lower SES students and are not socially cohesive places: the rich dominate, set the tone, and have all the fun; the poor are not included in the festivities. That was not true, uniquely, at Chicago. This is what the marriage differentials are reflecting.

This piece in turn sparked a mega thread on the Chicago cc forum, beginning April 5, 2018 (ultimately rising to 248 postings as opposed to a puny 160 so far in the present one). It makes for interesting reading in the context of the present discussion:

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-chicago/2071561-some-interesting-stats-p1.html

One conclusion I draw from the stats is that the general level of misery that was supposed to exist at old Chicago is highly exaggerated - it was really the misery of a few, who were not suited for the place and who made a big fuss about their discontent. It was they who engendered the perpetual trope that Chicago lacks ivy-prestige, ivy-sports, ivy-everything - that Chicago is a failed school. They saw it that way because they wanted Chicago to cease to be Chicago. They were listened to far too intently, possibly by listeners who were either gullible or shared the same SES background or had the same biases. The rest of us enjoyed our lives at the school, went out and got married and created lives for ourselves that bore the eternal mark of what we had learned at the place. That is not the effect of a failed institution.