<p>JHU graduates have an enviable acceptance rate to professional and graduate schools. JHU has one of the highest law schools and medical schools acceptance rates in the country. [In 2005, 92] percent of JHU seniors/graduates who applied to law school were admitted to at least one of their choices. 83 percent of Johns Hopkins students go on to graduate school (about half immediately after graduation), the highest percentage of any school in the nation. </p>
<p>93% of Hopkins students gets accepted into medical school… As a former premed student at Hopkins… I’m 1000% sure that Hopkins does not prescreen individuals because I raised this issue with Dr. Verrier, the Director of Preprefessional advising (top 3 prehealth advising offices in the nation) before in a meeting with him for premeds… No university would damage the credibility of their recommendation letter by supporting a subpar applicant that is guaranteed to be rejected by medical school. Yale does this too… Yale wouldn’t risk their credibility by recommending someone who doesn’t qualify for medical school. The weight of a Yale recommendation would be damaged if it recommends the best students and the worst students and casts them in the same light… There has to be a line drawn for the dumbest applicants who don’t drop out after review their GPA and MCAT scores for themselves.</p>
<p>If MIT can only get 10% of their students into the top 25 medical school…Think about Hopkins… UCR. </p>
<p>Hopkins was rated 2008 Hottest Premed school by US News for a reason… It’s quite literally a mecca for premeds… because it is Johns Hopkins… which in itself is a mecca for medical research in general…Why wouldn’t you go to the best premed school in the country…</p>
<p>I terms of a pre-medical school, there is likely no better university in the nation than Johns Hopkins University, IF you are willing to be challenged and pushed to do your absolute very best. Most students may dislike the rigor of academics at Hopkins at first, but find themselves completely in love with how Hopkins changes them to become more organized, self-sufficient, and capable by the end of the Hopkins experience. At Hopkins, you will find unparalleled opportunities for UNDERGRADUATE research where as early as freshman year, you can be researching independently or with a professor, something that even most of the Ivies can’t give you (as I know from the experiences of my friends who didn’t get a shot at researching until their upper-classmen years). </p>
<p>You will be learning from professors and researchers at the forefront of their fields and you will be studying with students who are every bit as driven and hard-working as you can hope to be. The environment is absolutely phenomenal if you want a to be in an environment of tireless students who know how to work hard and play hard as well.</p>
<p>There is, I will venture to say, no better Pre-Medical Advising Committee in the nation than the JHU Pre-Med Advising Committee and if you are willing to do your part, they will do their part and help you get into the best schools out there. </p>
<p>However, such an experience is not for everyone. For those who are afraid of challenge and afraid of failure, Hopkins is definitely not the right choice and even a school like Harvard or Stanford, that regularly inflates grades, may seem less of a challenge than Pre-Med at Hopkins. In your case, UCR might seem a little less rigorous, and if that is what you want your undergraduate years to be, then go to UCR.</p>
<p>If you are not afraid to be challenged and with an infinite supply of opportunities at your doorstep, then I advise hopkins.</p>
<p>Lockn: that data is for all students.
However, for students who use the Pre-Medical advising, Hopkins’ numbers are in the 90s every single year.
You will find that every SINGLE elite school brags about their higher numbers AFTER similar pre-medical advising, and even then, such schools don’t often experience the same success as the applicants from Hopkins.</p>
<p>The number in the 60s includes the students who choose not to seek a recommendation from the Hopkins Pre-Med Committee and those who just randomly apply on their own.</p>
<p>This is not contradictory to any of the previous statements whatsoever.</p>
<p>I should have clarified this earlier. It’s quite indisputable that Hopkins and Ivies usually get you into a better medical school than UCR does. However, my parents are of the opinion that any medical school in America is decent, and a doctor educated anywhere in this country (and in other countries, but it’s harder from some places) will get a job. It is quite rare for a person to graduate from an American medical school and end up jobless. To illustrate this point, they point out the various doctors we know, or who we see at various hospitals. Few of them went to Hopkins or Ivy Leagues; many simply went to state schools and ended up just fine.</p>
<p>223 succeeded total (including those who did not use the committee). 295 people used the committee. So even if every single person who got in used the proper process (a very bold assumption), you only have 223/295=76%. What am I missing?</p>
<p>Hope2getrice, I am kind of wary of the atmosphere and environment at Hopkins, and I’m not sure that I will “thrive” there. But this is not just about Hopkins, even though that’s in the title. I am considering some other well-regarded schools, aside from Hopkins, that have great resources and statistics.
But the point of this topic is to determine if going to a great undergraduate school is necessary to become a doctor (my parents think UCR is sufficient, I don’t know what to think which is why I’m asking). I just mentioned Hopkins because it seems to be high at the end of the “good premed school” extreme.</p>
<p>^^ Lockn, the 295 includes post-graduate students who apply to medical school. Such as, students who choose to take a year off. </p>
<p>I can guarantee you that the number is in the 90s (for first year applicants using Hopkisn Pre-Pro advising) as I read it from two different direct sources. </p>
<p>If harvard/yale or wherever posted similar stats, you will find the numbers very similar.</p>
<p>from my experience (you mentioning that not a lot of doctors you know are from Hopkins, ivies, etc), most of the doctors/graduates of the top schools in the country are the ones in charge of the hospitals.</p>
<p>The Head of the Oncology Department at the large hospital in my city is a Hopkins alum for both grad and undergrad. The Director of Emergency Services at this hospital is a harvard undergrad alum and northwestern med school alum, and the bosses of both of these people (and generally of the whole hospital), graduated from Hopkins Medical School years ago.</p>
<p>The doctors that work under them will be from smaller and less prestigious schools, but of course, if your only goal is to be a doctor, than these schools should be fine.</p>
33% accepted from UCR doesn’t mean “33% of people who can get into UCR”. It only includes the people who actually applied. People who passed organic chemistry and weren’t scared into pursuing a different career. Those are some bad odds.</p>
<p>You got into some great colleges, so you did well on the SATs. You’ll probably do better on the MCATs than the average UCR student. But it is nowhere near a sure thing that you will get into a med school.</p>
<p>Um… If you want to go to a mere state medical school, by all means go to UCR… Students going to Hopkins are shooting for Harvard med, Columbia med, Weill Cornell, Duke med schools…which really only matter if you are going to academic medicine or if you plan to specialize… you will probably do better on STEP1/2’s, and match into residency programs a lot better…</p>
<p>I have no qualms about going to the best school possible for your major. UCR might get you into a state medical school, but if you plan to specialize, your chances for matching into a specialty will probably be hurt by going to a state medical school. </p>
<p>Nobody cares where family doctors got their undergrad or graduate degree (assuming that you can get into med school in the first place…)</p>
<p>33% UCR is low compared to national average around 50%… It’s 33% acceptance into A MEDICAL SCHOOl… not necessarily the best in the country.</p>
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<p>295 includes alumnis and post grads in addition to first time applicants… </p>
<p>“First-time applicants with higher GPAs have stronger outcomes. From 2003-2008, first-time Hopkins applicants with a 3.3 cumulative GPA or greater had more than an 88% chance of being accepted to at least one U.S. allopathic (M.D.) medical school.”</p>
<p>If you know you will be unhappy at UCR then don’t go there. If you aren’t happy then you will do worse in your classes, you won’t take advantage of opportunities, and you will overall be a worse applicant to medical school.</p>
<p>I’m assuming the average GPA for a below-average (in acceptances) school like UCR would be a 3.7-3.8. Which…will be tough for pre-med courses. lol.</p>
<p>The unhappiness argument is a good one to use. Point out the education at UCR won’t be equivalent to that at Hopkins or other schools, because you will be less happy and less inclined to maximum your opportunities there. Try to imply that will hinder medical school acceptance.</p>
<p>Phead, what are some state medical schools?
If you mean UC medical schools, I don’t think that’s bad at all.
And I don’t want to stay in academia, I want to practice medicine. Can you elaborate on the difficulties of specializing with a UCR/state med school degree?</p>
<p>And I wasn’t just talking about GPs. I know many specialists in various fields who’ve gone to less-than-stellar undergraduate schools.</p>
<p>Regarding all these rates that undergraduate schools post, do they include students who only got into med schools outside the country?</p>
<p>I haven’t read the whole thread but has anyone mentioned that kids from better med schools have much more chance of getting a residency is a desired (read high paying) specialty? They are also much more likely to get great research and teaching positions.</p>
<p>Today many doctors make oodles of money in partnership with biotech companies and by developing drugs. Those with highly impressive resumes are much more likely to get those opportunities.</p>
<p>Why don’t you sign a contract with your parent’s to pay the back the difference after med school?</p>
<p>With my kids it’s my money so of course I have the final say. But when their values differ from mine as yours (and many people’s) do from you parent’s here, I’m willing to listen to why something is important to them. You’re an adult now and it’s your values that matter. Do your research and make them heard.</p>
<p>Whatshouldido: UCLA, UCSF are generally included in the top med schools category. I think what Phead means is a school like University of Utah or Puerto Rico State, lol.</p>
<p>I can also assure you that just about every single applicant from these top undergrad schools that have been posted do not apply to medical schools in the caribbean (generally) or if they did do it out of the country, it would be in top-to-middlish overseas programs.</p>
<p>I would venture to say that 95%+ of the schools included in the stats are about American Medical Schools</p>
<p>“33% accepted from UCR doesn’t mean “33% of people who can get into UCR”. It only includes the people who actually applied. People who passed organic chemistry and weren’t scared into pursuing a different career. Those are some bad odds.”</p>
<p>Is it that common for people to do this self-weeding-out?
A UCR Medical and Health Careers Program official said the acceptance rate “is higher for those students that participate in programs such as ours and others on campus as opposed to students that have not adequately prepared and should not be applying at the time they have chosen to do so.”
I just feel like if I can’t stay in the top third at UCR, I probably can’t stay in the top half at UCLA anyway (if it were a question of UCR vs. UCLA, and most of the posters here support LA in that case).</p>
<p>Tell us all the schools you are choosing from, and you will get a better opinion.</p>
<p>If you were just matching up UCR with Hopkins, the majority of people would say Hopkins. If you throw UCLA, Cornell, Emory, etc into the threshold, you might get some other opinions that will help you a lot.</p>