I think this must be one of the most tone deaf documents ever written.
http://snagfilms-a.akamaihd.net/4c/10/f39221f14c379e3cf4c6b6f0e20b/marine-corps-public-affairs-guidance-marines-united.pdf
cobrat, what exactly is an “FSA cadet”? The article said, “active-duty and retired male Marines, Navy Corpsman and British Royal Marines”. Are you saying that “FSA cadets” are in that category? When I google “FSA cadet”, the top sites that come up are the Farm Security Administration, Free Spirit Airlines Cadets, and Flexible Spending Accounts. I’m not 100% certain of whom you are referring to, but I’m taking a wild guess that you’re talking about military academy cadets since you are referencing honor codes.
Pretty sure that if military cadets were involved in this, they would be referred to as such.
I was wondering what “FSA” meant, too. I thought it was pretty clear from context, but I have never seen that acronym before. As always, it is amusing to read cobrat lecturing people with years of first-hand knowledge of something about the fine points of their worlds.
Sorry. FSA == Federal Service Academy (Annapolis, West Point, USAFA, USMMA, Coast Guard Academy).
It may sound weird, but under current laws as I’ve linked to in a previous post, cadets from one of those FSAs are considered active duty personnel while enrolled as a cadet at one of those 5 institutions.
Yeah, it’s not as though @Busdriver11 has ever served in the military or anything like that. She is just poorly informed about this topic. 
I can’t begin to understand a position that sympathizes with men who were knowingly making written crude and crass comments about illegally posted nude photos of their female coworkers/ fellow service members.
We are supposed to somehow give the guys a pass because of their sacrifices and because it’s just locker room talk while ignoring the lack of respect shown to female service members who are also sacrificing?
That’s just crap.
If there are men who will blame women because other men can’t act honorably while in service, then they shouldn’t be in our military and representing our country. No, we shouldn’t go easy on them because they might dislike women being there even more. What kind of logic is that?
FSA cadets may be active duty, I have never seen anyone use the term FSA cadet as a term for those who attend an academy. The preferred method is to name the specific academy the cadet attends.
Those guys were just really stupid to think social media is secure. I don’t even think my bank acct or brokerage acct is secure. I hope every member of that FB group will be dishonorably discharged so they wouldn’t be able to get another job.
I think that’s going too far. As I understand it, the site wasn’t created specifically for porn. So, it’s possible people joined it for other purposes. The truly bad guy–the one who posted the images on Google drive and posted a link, if I understand what happened–was retired military and employed as a military contractor. His contract was terminated.
And, it seems someone who joined tipped off the retired military journalist who started an investigation. So, that person certainly shouldn’t be dishonorably discharged.
BTW, the journalist has received lots of death threats and other threats to his wife and child. I do think each person who sent such a threat should be disciplined.
I’ve never heard of “FSA” as a block or acronym.
Anyway, if there are “cadets” in that FB group, would that bring a whole other problematic angle to this if any of those cadets are minors? (I assume that 1st year cadets can be 17 if that’s when they’d start college but I might be mistaken.)
Either way, I fail to see what a cheating incident in the 50s has to do with illegally distributing nude images in 2017.
My point was in reference to the suggestion that dishonorable discharges being given to those who viewed the website or made comments. Don’t ya think that might be a little harsh to treat someone the same as if they had illegally taken pictures, and posted them with the names attached? Women probably also viewed those photos, guess they should be dishonorably discharged, too? I suggest local discipline as opposed to something drastic for all.
My logic is that the punishment should fit the crime. Apparently you take a dishonorable discharge pretty lightly…and it is a very big deal that follows you the rest of your life. Yeah, I think we should specifically consider each act instead of just hanging them all.
The point I was making with that example is that Federal Service Academy cadets such as those from Annapolis or West Point are subjected to a strict honor code which not only punishes those who participated directly in a violation of such a code, but also those who had knowledge of the violation even if they were non-participants if they failed to report it immediately to academy officials.
Moreover, since they’re also considered active-duty personnel from the moment they start their first day at the academy under the laws as documented directly in the links above, Federal Service Academy cadets are also subject to disciplinary measures under the UCMJ unlike their ROTC counterparts.
What is FSA? I have never heard of that term during my 36 years of military association.
@busdriver11:
I am not surprised that there is male on male rape/sexual harassment, that was going on when my dad was in the military in WWII, but you are right we don’t hear about it.
As far as those viewing it but not the ones who posted it, others have pointed out that that depends on what the UCMJ has to say about seeing something that violates miltary rules and not reporting it. I agree that those who looked at it or posted comments are not as guilty as those who took the pictures or posted them. I don’t know what the penalty for not reporting something is under the UCMJ, if it is court martiallable or can get someone a dishonorable discharge then it would be about that offense, not the viewing. I think those that took the pictures or posted them are criminals and should be charged as such and if found guilty should go to military prison for it, and get a dishonorable discharge, I think those that viewed them or commented on them and didn’t report them should be subject to the rules for not reporting a violation.
@musicprnt, I first heard about the men being raped when someone had told me that on a particular base in the Middle East, the Air Force officers were authorized to carry weapons because of it. They say it’s the Army guys that are the problem. I almost didn’t believe it, and thought it was some poor taste paranoia by the fighter pilots…but then I read about it, and found out more men are raped in the military than women, and you never hear about that. Blows me away. Way back when, I never felt unsafe on an Air Force base, even in the middle of the night.
@busdriver11:
I should say I am shocked, but I am not surprised. Guys who have been sexually assaulted will be even less reluctant to come forward than women are, there is a big stigma around that, that they ‘let it happen’ and so forth. Sexual assault is sexual assault, it doesn’t matter who the perp or the victim is, it should be dealt with harshly, period.
Perhaps it should depend on the comment. Some f them were very specifically calling for raping the subjects in various specific ways, egging others on to post more pictures, etc.
At Amherst recently the cross country team was caught sending around photos and comments about fellow students and female athletes on a mailing list. Those students were punished but some more seriously than others. The instigators and senders of photos more, for example, than those simply on the list and certainly the whistleblower(s). I’m guessing if a LAC can make those distinctions in punishment, so can the military.
I’m not surprised. Rape is often a crime of opportunity/access and there are a lot more men around military bases than women. Catholic priest rapists had more access to boys than girls too.
I agree! I am horrified that this is happening to our soldiers, by our soldiers. I can’t think of anyone I have known who would be capable of that. The people that put the pictures of these women online and named them, put them at greater risk, I think.
It’s an interesting thought experiment to imagine this same group of men putting up photos of other male soldiers and commenting about how they’d like to rape them, naming them and their base addresses, etc.
Oh boy OHMom, those guys would be hauled up for court martial so fast. And out of the service in no time.