<p>I’m surprised this thread hasn’t been closed yet.</p>
<p>I think the article in the Washington Post is in poor taste.</p>
<p>But I think people trying to force private companies to be run by their rules is in poor taste.</p>
<p>It reminds me of the Chick-Fil-A thing, where the guy in charge spouted off some anti-gay marriage things. I choose to not go and eat there. So don’t send your kid to Harvard.</p>
<p>You mean people are not allowed to express an opinion about how colleges operate? What on earth will we talk about on this site then?</p>
<p>“I think it makes much more sense to stop this problem before it starts, if we actually think it’s a problem. They are not coming here and having babies by accident.”</p>
<p>If the student who wrote this article had been born here, there wouldn’t be a problem. Kids born here are citizens, full stop. They are eligible for all educational opportunities open to any citizen. Students like the author are in a completely different situation.</p>
<p>^And the question is how do you deal with that situation?</p>
<p>The first step is not confusing the issue. But it seems to me that private schools choosing the students they want and covering the costs of educating them is a great way to help.</p>
<p>If wonder if will ever be in a class, get a 100% on a test, ruin the curve and one of his classmates will call INS.</p>
<p>^Does no one at the INS read the Washington Post?</p>
<p>If you recall, several months after 9-11 someone at INS granted a visa extension to one of the hijackers, so the answer is likely ‘no, they don’t’.</p>
<p>So it looks like the kid is not exactly an undocumented alien who fell from the sky:</p>
<p><a href=“The Harvard Crimson”>http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2013/5/3/Dream-School-Undocumented-Students/</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://www.iop.harvard.edu/dream-deferred-undocumented-harvard”>http://www.iop.harvard.edu/dream-deferred-undocumented-harvard</a></p>
<p>His presence at Harvard is most likely legalized by DACA (while the application is pending, he is OK). He just can’t get on a straight path to citizenship. </p>
<p>Reacting to Zoosermom’s post #21. I couldn’t agree more!</p>
<p>“Does no one at the INS read the Washington Post?”</p>
<p>They’ve chosen to make this sort of alien the lowest enforcement priority. He has nothing to worry about in the short term.</p>
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<p>Selective and collective amnesia…How convenient. </p>
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<p>Are you going to start arguing next that spain be given back to the moors?</p>
<p>The frustrations of parents are understandable. But if your kids actually fall into any of these categories
-“the kids from poor, rural towns; the kids from the inner city, the kids whose parents lost their jobs recently,” quite likely Harvard would grant them a full ride as well, if they are qualified. Can anyone prove the school had given preference to undocumented over poor Americans? </p>
<p>Why the state public universities can support undocumented students but the private universities can’t?</p>
<p><a href=“http://undoc.universityofcalifornia.edu/financial-aid.html[/url]”>http://undoc.universityofcalifornia.edu/financial-aid.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://www.finaid.umich.edu/Home/HowtoApplyforAid/UndocumentedStudents.aspx[/url]”>http://www.finaid.umich.edu/Home/HowtoApplyforAid/UndocumentedStudents.aspx</a></p>
<p><a href=“https://world.utexas.edu/isss/students/dreamers/who-is-undocumented[/url]”>https://world.utexas.edu/isss/students/dreamers/who-is-undocumented</a></p>
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<p>Do you think colleges should grant US resident status to all BS students coming from China, India, Saudi Arabia,…? I don’t think so. If your BS kids are classified as international students then you should correct the situation by presenting proper documents. Problem solved.</p>
<p>Scholarships for international students? Why not. We are human beings besides being Americans. </p>
<p>Someone here definitely needs more international traveling to open her mind/gain global perspectives.</p>
<p>‘I’d say Princeton has gotten their money’s worth with this one.’
Excellent post, perfect sample. The moral is that talents deserve appreciations, which is one of the core values of this great country - America. </p>
<p>I have to react to GMT7’s statement, because while s/he often makes good points, in this case s/he’s being disingenuous.
GMT7, when speaking about universities not recognizing his/her kids as “Americans”, speaks about in-state institutions; no State is required to grant in-state tuition to kids whose parents have left, don’t pay taxes there (even if they did when the kids were 3 or5), don’t maintain a house etc. This is a problem for parents who move to another State Junior or Senior Year and has nothing with being an Expat, let alone with undocumented immigrants.
GMT7’s kids WILL be treated along with all domestic applicants for admission AND for financial aid purposes at all universities; at holistic institutions, his/her upbringing in other countries and bilingualism will be evaluated <em>in their favor</em>. They will NOT have to compete in the “international” pool at all.
The exception to this is if GMT7 didn’t declare his/her kids’ birth to the Consulate to have them entered as American citizens. In which case, this should be done very quickly. It’s a no fuss process. As kids born from American citizens abroad, they’ll then become American citizens.
Do the paperwork and the problem of not being American because born abroad vanishes - it’s simple and the parents’ responsibility (yet many never get around to it until late… So better late than never, or actually , better now than when it’s too late.)
As for other countries: in developed countries, expats’ kids don’t have to pay a “special” tuition at public universities. In Britain, the criterion is “living in Britain or another EU country”. (LIVING there, no mention of nationality - with an exception pertaining to English students in Scotland due to Scottish fees being one third of English fees.) In France, Italy, Germany, tuition is besically nonexistent to start with and internationals may have a little added (like, $3,000 for the year), still making them a bargain. Jewish kids who speak Hebrew are considered like citizens in Israel, and while there are extra charges for the English-speaking programs, it still amounts to very little, much less than a year of in-state tuition in the US. In Japan, it depends on the university, but tuition is cheap too, and much lower than at an American public university at instate rates. In other words, GMT7’s kids could have stayed in the country of expatriation and attended public universities there at bargain prices, but GMT7 didn’t want them to (and there are lots of legitimate reasons for that choice.) An alternative situation is that the public schools there, are rather rotten and the country unsafe, in which case, the point about cost is moot. In better days GMT7’s kids could have attended nice universities for free but those don’t exist in the country where GMT7 is an expat, and it really sucks (it sucks even worse for younger kids whom you have to homeschool or place in “compound” schools.) Finally, private colleges abroad, like private colleges in the US, are free to do whatever they want with their tuition pricing. </p>