Us news rankings 2011

[ewho]

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I think that Pizzagirl will laugh at this reply and realize that the term"cognoscenti" requires a minimum of intelligence.

Zhi shi goupi huida.</p>

<p>xiggi, I am sure Pizzagirl would be puzzled at the reply. But, I am sure that a lot of the posters here understand it.</p>

[bluebayou]

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Another thing is, at large schools like Berkeley, eng’g students, for example, are separated from students of other colleges.

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<p>HUH???</p>

<p>According to Cal’s Engineering bulletin, the following courses are required for Frosh: Chemistry, Physics, Calc, English – ALL of which are offered thru the College of Letters and Sciences. Thus, those classes are just as likely to be full of pre-health and math majors in addition to engineers. Second year is more physics and Math (multi-variate) and social science/english distributes – all taught thru L&S. </p>

<p>Yes, upper division classes tend to be engineering courses, which self-select towards engineers. But that is no different than upper division Language courses which, not surprisingly, self-select to language majors.</p>

[xiggi]

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where is xiggi?</p>

<p>I wonder how and what can USNews say about my case, and of my friends’ using their methodology, which, btw, xiggi believes it to be infallible - a bible truth.

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<p>Are you joining that small group of people who pretend to know what I think or believe better than I do, and feel compelled to make up stories? Where do you get the idea that I believe the USNews to be “infallible - a bible truth?” Are you really that oblivious of what I write about the USNews and the annual dog and pony show of Bob Morse? </p>

<p>By the way, your friends should choose the schools that has the best qualities for them, and this regardless of the USNews rankings, and regardless of what other people think about their choices. Why do you need to know what I think about attending Emory or Cal, let alone what I think might be best for them?</p>

[Pizzagirl]

<p>What silly hypotheticals, RML. The proper answer is “whichever of the two options they personally prefer” in terms of campus, culture, weather, size and overall fit. Why would there only be one correct answer to Berkeley vs Rice for your hypothetical prelaw friend?</p>

[RML]

<p>I have a feeling that Pizzagirl lacks reading comprehension. </p>

<p>Of course, those problems were thrown to xiggi when he said this:

The only thing that matters to me is how well Cal and Dartmouth educate their students during the four (or more) years of undergraduate studies. For instance, I do not see the direct relevance of the location, prestige, and size of Tuck and Haas.

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[Schmaltz]

<p>“I have a feeling that Pizzagirl lacks reading comprehension.”</p>

<p>She apparently reads designers’ labels pretty well. And she probably skimmed over that part about fit because she was distracted, deciding whether to use her Fettuccini or Al Dente purse with her Pepperoni gown.</p>

[buhbuhbilly]

<p>I have a sneaking suspicion that NYU will jump up 1 if not 2 places; it’s not the most applied-to-college in the country for nothing.</p>

[LegalShark]

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@ewho

Zhi shi goupi huida.</p>

<p>xiggi, I am sure Pizzagirl would be puzzled at the reply. But, I am sure that a lot of the posters here understand it.

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<p>Here’s one.</p>

[fallenchemist]

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@buhbuhbilly

I have a sneaking suspicion that NYU will jump up 1 if not 2 places; it’s not the most applied-to-college in the country for nothing.

You should have left off the “for nothing”, then you would have been correct regarding applications. UCLA gets the most applications from what I can gather, as jocca1a states, and you are not even right regarding private schools. Tulane received just a whisker under 44,000 applications compared to NYU getting 38,037. Shoot, it isn’t like it was a matter of the news being too recent to know, Tulane received 40,000 applications last year. There is no prize for receiving the most applications, but still good to get your facts straight.</p>

[fallenchemist]

<p>Xiggi - my bad in “misremembering” that you had the quasi-research listing for Cal Tech. So I will redirect the same inquiry towards Alexandre. What’s up with that?</p>

[tk21769]

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since schools are also about brand power, it is important that USNews would come out a different list or ranking for brand power, even though I understand that this is a subjective thing. For a lot of people, school name is important. In the same way people buy branded clothes because of the name, not so much of the quality and design of the clothes.

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<p>If “brand power” is a subjective thing, how would we measure and rank it? Take an opinion poll? Whose opinions? The PA component of the USNews ranking amounts to an opinion poll of supposed experts in higher education (college administrators). Do you think their opinions are not significantly informed by the quality of the schools they are ranking? If so, then why pay any attention to them?</p>

<p>Branding depends on a cognitive process akin to magical, or associative, thinking. It is pre-logical. ([Magical</a> thinking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_thinking]Magical”>Magical thinking - Wikipedia)). Millions of people do fall under the spell of brand images, but any educated person ought to be skeptical of the idea that a brand, per se, has qualities that make it special and desirable.</p>

[fallenchemist]

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@tk21769

If “brand power” is a subjective thing, how would we measure and rank it? Take an opinion poll? Whose opinions? The PA component of the USNews ranking amounts to an opinion poll of supposed experts in higher education (college administrators). Do you think their opinions are not significantly informed by the quality of the schools they are ranking? If so, then why pay any attention to them?

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<p>The answer to the first question is correctly answered by your second. You would indeed do a random survey of a sufficiently large and representative group of people if your goal was simply to measure both the awareness and perceptions of quality of certain brand names. The PA may indeed amount to an opinion poll of universities as a brand. If the only purpose was to get A) a finding regarding and B) produce a report on awareness of and perceptions of quality of various universities among college administrators, the PA method would be fine. But that is not where it stops, and that is the problem. Their opinions are informed by their perception of the quality of the schools they are ranking. In the vast majority of cases, they have no real knowledge of the quality of the undergraduate experience at these schools. Therefore you get a nice read on the perceptions of this particular segment of people, but little in the way of actual informed judgement.</p>

<p>For USNWR to then use this for a full 25% of their ranking is no different than a botched research study, where it is shown that the data source being used to form conclusions was not providing accurate data. It becomes rather worthless.</p>

[Alexandre]

<p>"FIRST PAGE OF US NEWS - The one everyone would read AND quote on CC.</p>

<p>Major PRIVATE NATIONAL universities
Harvard University
Princeton University
Stanford University
Yale University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Caltech
Columbia University
University of Chicago
Duke University
University of Pennyslvania
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University
Dartmouth College
Brown University
Cornell University
Washington University Saint Louis
Rice University
Emory University
Georgetown University
University of Notre Dame
Vanderbilt University
Carnegie Mellon University
University of Southern California
Wake Forest University
and a few more to complete the first page of 30-40 schools"</p>

<p>Why is that Xiggi? Did you forget the Quasi Research ranking? Brown, Dartmouth, Emory, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Rice, Vanderbilt and Wake Forest would be part of that ranking, not part of the major national private research universities ranking page. And Caltech has fewer than 4,000 students, so it would also belong to a separate ranking as well. </p>

<p>So, here’s how things would look if they followed my proposed ranking:</p>

<p>Major PRIVATE NATIONAL “RESEARCH” universities
Harvard University
Princeton University
Stanford University
Yale University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Columbia University
University of Chicago
Duke University
University of Pennyslvania
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University
Cornell University
WUSTL</p>

<p>Other excellent universities would follow, but none would be considered very prestigious.</p>

<p>And given that sort of partitioning that I recommend, there would not be a single page that “everyone would read AND quote on CC.” Not when another page would include Cal, Michigan, UCLA, UVa and other elite universities, and nother page would include Amherst, Pomona, Swarthmore, Williams and other elite LACs and yet another page would include Boston College, Brandeis, Brown, Dartmouth, Emory, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Rice, Vanderbilt and other elite quasi research universities. </p>

<p>Like I sais, not a single category would have more than 15 truly “prestigious” universities and each category would be read and quoted on CC. Of course, HYPSM will also garner additional attention, but that would be the case whether you have one ranking, two rankings and 10 rankings. </p>

<p>However, one ranking that compares Cal to Caltech or Cornell or Dartmouth or Emory to Michigan simply does not work. Way too many variables would completly pervert and distort the end result.</p>

<p>That’s the point of my proposed partitioning. Many elite universities would belong to each category, making each one a legitimate and appealing ranking for the “right” student.</p>

[jwc9397]

<p>Have the 2011 US News Rankings come out already?</p>

[Cuse0507]

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Have the 2011 US News Rankings come out already?

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<p>Nope. Should come out tomorrow at midnight.</p>

[BayBoi10]

<p>There should be a serious leak by tomorrow.</p>

[BayBoi10]

<p>There has been only one leak so far, but everyone is skeptical if it is true or not.</p>

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@USNewsFan

1. Princeton University
2. Harvard University
3. Yale University
4. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5. Stanford University
6. California Institute of Technology
7. University of Pennsylvania
8. Columbia University
9. University of Chicago
10. Dartmouth University
11. Duke University
12. Cornell University
13. Johns Hopkins University
14. Northwestern University
15. Washington University in St. Louis
16. Brown University
17. Vanderbilt University
18. Emory University
19. Rice University
20. University of Notre Dame
21. University of California - Berkeley
22. Carnegie Mellon University
23. Georgetown University
24. University of Virginia
25. University of California - Los Angeles
26. University of Southern California
27. Wake Forest University

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[TXhorn]

<p>I can’t believe it’s taking so long to leak the rankings. Are they releasing the online edition before the magazine?</p>

[RML]

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Are you joining that small group of people who pretend to know what I think or believe better than I do, and feel compelled to make up stories? Where do you get the idea that I believe the USNews to be “infallible - a bible truth?” Are you really that oblivious of what I write about the USNews and the annual dog and pony show of Bob Morse? </p>

<p>By the way, your friends should choose the schools that has the best qualities for them, and this regardless of the USNews rankings, and regardless of what other people think about their choices. Why do you need to know what I think about attending Emory or Cal, let alone what I think might be best for them?

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<p>So, in short, you’re saying that some of those schools that were ranked higher than Berkeley don’t really offer academic training better than Berkeley does. In such case, USNews fails its aim in ranking schools acccording to academic quality. Thus while USNews says Emory, for example, is superior to Berkeley, in actual reality, it really isn’t. But because the USNews’ methodology is biased towards small schools and /or small private schools, they made it look like Emory, for example, is superior to Berkeley.</p>

<p>I’m sorry that I have to use Emory as example. It’s just that it’s the best school I can cite to better illustrate my point. I have nothing against Emory. I think it’s a great school for those bright students in the South. I just don’t think that in reality, it is superior to Berkeley especially when it comes to academic quality.</p>

[RML]

<p>jocca1a,</p>

<p>I think Cal would fall to # 23 or # 24 given the revised methodology. UCLA would rank # 25 at best.</p>