<p>as an aside, Cornell is one of the few selective colleges that also superscores the ACT (or at least some of the individual colleges superscore).</p>
<p>Xiggi –</p>
<p>Where would I see the SAT scores compared by state?</p>
<p>Also, it occurs to me that the NMSF cutoff score by state also establishes a heirarchy of how each state does, on average, on the PSAT. I would expect CA to be right in the middle if the SAT scoring is right on the National Average, as you wrote.</p>
<p>[College-Bound</a> Seniors 2009 - SAT Total Group and State Reports](<a href=“http://professionals.collegeboard.com/data-reports-research/sat/cb-seniors-2009]College-Bound”>SAT Suite of Assessments – Reports | College Board)</p>
<p>You may want to open two windows to compare the individual states to the nation (called group.)</p>
<p>Also, you may want to check this … Texas report. 
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<p><a href=“http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/research/pdfs/sat-act_2008.pdf[/url]”>http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/research/pdfs/sat-act_2008.pdf</a></p>
<p>Go to pages 69-73 and find some great data for the Class of 2008 and see how states compare on a national basis. </p>
<p>Table 32 SAT Participation and Performance, by State, Class of 2008</p>
<p>For prior years and more reports, check this site.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index4.aspx?id=4112[/url]”>College Admissions Testing: SAT and ACT | Texas Education Agency;
<p>"…selective colleges that also superscores the ACT "</p>
<p>I just read that MIT does it, FWIW. No idea who does or doesn’t. I imagine for most east coast colleges only a minority of applicants submit ACT scores in the first place, much less take the ACT numerous times.</p>
<p>What they choose to use for their internal evaluation purposes is their business. For comparison purposes by external parties, exams submitted only by such minority should not be taken as proxy for the student body as a whole, when you can alternatively look at the 90%+ who submit SATs. And where there are different pracitices used in data submissions, this has to be accounted for somehow before making comparisons.</p>
<p>The hand-wringing re Columbia over Stanford and USC over UCLA makes me wonder what will be the next leapfrogs that will have disappointed alumni assuming the fetal position under their desks. How about these:</p>
<p>When Georgetown overtakes Notre Dame ( and gets to superimpose John Thompson’s face on Touchdown Jesus).</p>
<p>When ND overtakes Northwestern (battle of Midwest privates that have football teams that can actually bruise the opposition…sorry Chicago).</p>
<p>When Emory overtakes Hopkins (Pre-Med I Study Harder Trophy)</p>
<p>USC overaking Berkeley. (battle for the Heisman-Nobel Trophy)</p>
<p>Notre Dame overtaking Cornell (earning the Long Island Will Never Be the Same Trophy) </p>
<p>Boston College overtakes Tufts (earning the Third Place in Boston Cup)</p>
<p>Columbia overtakes Yale (earning the Earth Was a Nice Place While it Lasted crown)</p>
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<p><em>grumble</em> Heisman <em>grumble</em> 2nd in UAA <em>grumble</em></p>
<p>:P</p>
<p>Can someone post the official list? There’s something wrong with us news and world report’s website!</p>
<p>Agree with you there. Let’s not be so quick to dismiss Columbia, btw, which produced many, many of the Founders (for the uninitiated, those were legislators who helped form the United States of America). Same with respect to USC, which really does have smarter kids nowadays than those at the U of C (all branches). Give each school its day and hope they sustain their rankings. Regarding the publics, it’s time we take a closer look: is the U of C really better than Michigan, NC and Virginia? Can overcrowded classes, crumbling infrastructure, and 500+ student lecture halls really make for “superior” undergraduate education? Where’s the beef?</p>
<p>xiggi,</p>
<p>I didn’t have time to read the SAT report in details. Do IL, IA, WI, MN, MI beat NH, MA, NY, NJ, CT by pretty margins? That’s what it looks like to me.</p>
<p>That contradicts to the stereotype that NE has more competitive kids. :rolleyes: Yes, they many have the most elite private HS but as a whole, the kids there are fairly average.</p>
<p>That could explain why midwest privates like WashU, Notre Dame, UChicago, Northwestern, and Notre Dame have comparable SAT averages as Ivies despite the higher admit rates - not because they emphasize more on scores but because their applicant pools are more self-selecting with narrower range. :)</p>
<p>One thing to take in account is that there is a HUGE scoring gap between HYP (with scores from 98-100) and Columbia (93). Clustered in the low 90s you have MIT, Columbia, Caltech, Dartmouth, Duke, and Chicago with very litter separating #4 from #9. As it, it will be almost impossible for any school in this cluster to overtake HYP on USNEWS. Rather the schools in those tiers will just keep switching around.</p>
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<p>By sayin U of C, did you mean of California, because you mentioned branches, which I supposed pertains to campuses and U of Chicago does not have branches/campuses? </p>
<p>Well, if you would compared USC to Berkeley, you are dead wrong, my friend. USC cannot compete with Berkeley either in school strength or curriculum strength or student strength. Maybe it comapares well with other UC campuses, but not with Berkeley. Check your stats.</p>
<p>Sam Lee,
Please note only 8000 test takers in Illinois vs. 60,000 from Massachusetts. Most in the mid-west take ACT.</p>
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<p>Even as a Cal student, I do agree that my university’s branches are overrated. Although, I sincerely believe that Cal rightfully deserves it’s #1 spot for public education. Michigan is the obvious second best public in the US - without question. The history, breadth, and achievements of UM is unrivaled by others - except Cal. I do believe it gets difficult when deciding the third best public. I do believe UCLA is an amazing academic institution for public higher learning, but I find it hard to believe that it rivals Virginia and UNC. Both of those campuses are more secured financially; offers more resources; has smaller class sizes; and are virtually equals in research.</p>