@abcninja And then there are people with even better stats and more APs that won’t get in. There are many factors at play in admissions that are driven demographically and holistically. I have had two attend USC but have seen kids not get in but be accepted to MIT and Harvard. USC has changed its student body goals dramatically over the last couple years. There is no forumla to gauge yourself by, it is what they want for their profile that given year, many many kids applying have fab stats. I fear setting a preconceived standard when there is so much missing from that picture (ECs, race, essays, where from, recommendations, etc) leads people to false expectations. Better to do you best, apply and hope for the best, but don’t count on it simply with stats, those are routine these days.