<p>Well, I’d say it’s just the law of supply and demand at work. Young upstarts-small and hot-will be selective because they can be. Google, in their pre-IPO days, was famously picky. “We only recruit at XYZ universities.” A generation ago it was a different set of companies that were hot. Then they grow, mature or fold.
Even within the same company there are positions, locations that are considered more attractive than others. From R&D, sales, consulting… to support, maintenance, testing, “code monkeys.” Even if you don’t initially get hired for a more desirable job, if you are good, you can get promoted or move to a better job within the company or elsewhere. There is a good deal of mobility.
PhD recruiting tends to be more selective, exclusive, however.</p>
<p>It’s also critical mass. It’s a well known secret at most companies within the recruiting ranks that the top 1-3 students in any department, regardless of the school, are going to be fantastic (all things being equal). But my company won’t send a team of recruiters and line managers and senior folks out to a campus to do a dog and pony and then sit through interviews at colleges where after that top 1-3 kids the quality falls off dramatically. It doesn’t pay. We look at yield very carefully, and to spend that kind of money to snag one kid who can come back to us for a callback is really a poor use of recruiting dollars.</p>
<p>So I don’t dispute that a top kid can get a fine education and be highly employable from virtually anywhere. It’s just that companies tend to go where there’s more than that top kid (or that narrow slice of top kids). That’s why companies who hire engineers, CS, etc. types love the Illinois, MIT type of schools. I know friends of my sons who graduated from Cornell Engineering with what would be considered sub-adequate GPA’s from someplace else who had multiple offers from great companies- Cornell is a grade deflation school (it is a triumph to get a C in some technical classes) and the training is rigorous- for virtually anyone who can make it through. You get a solid internship summer of junior year, you make it through to graduation, your job prospects are very strong. You don’t need to be the kid all the professors are talking about; you don’t need a 3.9. Those kids probably entering a PhD program anyway and not out in industry right away, but companies want to recruit there because even the kids well below the stars have such a solid foundation and strong work ethic.</p>
<p>So more to consider than just supply and demand- recruiters like to see a deep bench of well prepared, motivated kids before they allocate time and money to sending a hiring team off to a campus.</p>
<p>Arg…vowed not to post again…just let son make up his mind…but really appreciate additional the insights!!</p>
<p>Son just doesn’t want to do Stony Brook because of the reputation for lack of social life (found that on the Stony Brook CC thread & others). Although, I’m sure it’s a great school.</p>
<p>blossom – it sounds like a kid who might be bright, but not the super-most-hardworking kid would do better at more of a name school, then, if there is more recruiting, there.</p>
<p>That argues for the higher-prestige school for son… (although could backfire if he really doesn’t work hard enough).</p>
<p>Welcome to the SEC. You (and your son) are going to have so much fun! I have a law partner who is a rabid Alabama fan. She knows so much about the football program that she could coach it! Of course, she is sitting right in the middle of UTn/Vandy territory.</p>
<p>Thank you, katwkittens & MomofWildChild! I’m so grateful for all the support, here, as we made our way through this process. Have to say, it’s a bit easier for me to sleep at night knowing that son/we won’t be staring down $100k of debt. And, these southern schools are really fun! </p>
<p>MOWC, someone else said, “SEC” and I immediately thought of the Securities and Exchange Commission. Gotta get up on my football game! </p>
<p>Did buy a Crimson Tide flag this morning online. lol</p>
<p>My college roommate was from AL (we were at a school in the northeast). She had a big picture of Bear Bryant in our dorm room. </p>
<p>Jolynne, super! My son is headed to Alabama, too, he would enjoy meeting someone from NJ, maybe they will find their people. As someone poindted out there is little downside for him to spend a year at Alabama. Roll Tide.</p>
<p>Congrats on the decision! I think many of us are breathing a sigh of relief knowing that you will not be taking out $38K/year in loans. I’m sure your S is going to love UA, good luck to him.</p>
<p>Congrats to you and your son Jolynne! If my DD doesn’t change her mind (and I know, a year is a long time) she will be there next year! Roll Tide! I’m just so happy that my husband explained the whole black and white check fabric thing to me when we were down there and the elephant thing too :)</p>
<p>as of right now, mine will most likely be there next year, too. pending her increasing her ACT score, that is …</p>
<p>idk why she is so set on going there, but she is. i think she liked their recruiting session the best … and their dorms. and if the price is right … a no lose situation!</p>
<p>You made the right decision. No school is worth $100,000 in loans unless there is a reasonable expectation that your income would be in excess of $100,000 a year after school. Servicing the principal and the interest alone will kill you if you don’t have that kind of money.</p>
<p>CONGRATS on the decision!!<br>
anyone with kids going to UA… we are in alabama about 2 hours from tuscaloosa, so if ever needed for those of you with oos students, pm or post and we can help you out.</p>
<p>JS, you must be so proud of your S for making such a wise decision. Wishing him (and you) all the best from his U of AL experience.<br>
S1 is graduating fr. big state u. next week where he has been on a full-ride. Now that the future is truly staring him in the face (putting down deposit on apt., buying furniture,etc) he is very glad to be starting off his adult life debt free.</p>
<p>Thanks for the good wishes! Appreciate it! cangel & parents of kids going (or planning to go) to U of AL – if you want, PM & we can chat via regular email or facebook! I know momreads son (from CC) is going there also! parent56–thanks for the ‘local connection’ info! That’s actually good to know, and appreciated! </p>
<p>I’m excited…son is off to honors orientation at the end of May, so it all begins soon! </p>
<p>Crimson Tide flag for outside the house is on order!</p>