UT BHP vs Rice MTEC vs Cornell AEM

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<p>Well if you look at AEM, the median is $5k higher than BHP [Charles</a> H. Dyson School: Careers](<a href=“Applied Economics and Management Degree Program | Cornell Dyson”>Applied Economics and Management Degree Program | Cornell Dyson)</p>

<p>If I am reading the chart correctly, all of the salary averages on that page is for the honors program. I have no clue what this whole double majoring thing is and since they don’t break up the statistics anymore or back anything up with facts, I wouldn’t know what to take from it.</p>

<p>“First, what exactly is the event for which you recieved an email invitation? Yes, I noticed there are several schools from across the nation, but the fact that Texas A&M was on that particular list and UT Austin is suspicious to me. If you were hesitant on the scope of national prestige of UT BHP, then Texas A&M’s business reputation in the field is not comparable. Even in the south, McComb’s beats Mays.”
-I’m not going to answer what the invitation was for and usually I don’t see Texas A&M or Berkeley included. The rest seem pretty typical. I also don’t know enough about the texas business school system (except they barely get any attention outside of the south), but investment banks don’t only recruit out of the business schools. Texas A&M may have some liberal arts or engineering majors that have gone on to be successful in firms—I don’t know.</p>

<p>The invitation was from a top tier hedge fund offering a competition/networking opportunity. I just picked that one since I literally just got it in my email.</p>

<p>“Second, why are you referencing income and percentage statistics from Cornell engineering majors who broke into the financial industry? What you should be using is the AEM statistics to measure business program against another actual business program.”
See above then. Cornell AEM doesn’t break up the numbers as well as the engineering school and a consulting company would RARELY pay an engineer more than a business major. I found it to be the best metric I had access to. I believe what is most important from that comparison is that Texas blows their program completely out of proportion. They do NOT get Bain/BCG recruiting there if Cornellians get paid much more on average and don’t get recruited by Bain/BCG/McKinsley.</p>

<p>I don’t see where it is indicated that it isn’t just honors students.</p>

<p>" - One more note, the UT BBA chart mentions that the ~63K is for BHP students who picked a BBA along with the Honors degree (double majored). BHP students still have the option of majoring solely in general business honors itself, but this is not reflected on the chart. I would think most BHPers double major with a BBA + Honors anyway - much of the curriculum is made to overlap to encourage it."
-And yet they do not break up the statistics. They lump everything together and that is NEVER for a good reason.</p>

<p>"In BHP/McComb’s, while students are given positions in the Northeast, many students are offered positions at firms in Texas, which has a much lower COL. "
-If they are going into IBanking/consulting, many move out east. Cornellians also move west all the time. I didn’t forget about this and yes, it does influence the salaries a bit, but I see no evidence that this justifies the large salary gap.</p>

<p>" - One more note, the UT BBA chart mentions that the ~63K is for BHP students who picked a BBA along with the Honors degree (double majored). BHP students still have the option of majoring solely in general business honors itself, but this is not reflected on the chart. I would think most BHPers double major with a BBA + Honors anyway - much of the curriculum is made to overlap to encourage it. "
Ok.</p>

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<p>I am not going to spend any more time talking about this Texas program with you. In the end, the UNIVERSITY as a whole is not recruited into IBanking and I am even left skeptical with what I found online about the honors program. When you go into banking, they are prestige heavy TO AN EXTENT. Do they care whether you go to Brown vs. Princeton vs. Stanford vs. Cornell? Not much; all have good names and they look at the student’s past/interview.</p>

<p>However, in banking, the name of the college always leads to opportunities. WashU, a highly selective school, gets ZERO attention from IBs AND they have a business school. Why? It comes down to prestige so SOME extent. The name of the school matters.</p>

<p>I recommend that you continue to look into Cornell, but again, I wouldn’t look into business schools. I don’t see them as a safe investment into actually getting into top consulting firms or banking, maybe aside from Sloan/AEM/Wharton/Ross/Hass/Stern. There are many better alternatives.</p>

<p>Best of luck.</p>

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<p>Cornellian, your views about this are entirely distorted, including how you list your alma mater among its peers. BHP is a highly selective program, and easily the most selective at UT. In turn, the business program at Cornell is hardly the most selective at the least selective Ivy school. In fact, your AEM program is more similar to TAMU’s than to Texas. </p>

<p>The bottom line is that, except for a couple of statistics, you know absolutely NOTHING about the programs in Texas or their career opportunities, and you still believe in fantasies in terms of recruiting for banking and finance as well as the value of prestige. You WANT to believe that Cornell is akin to HYPS and that AEM is Wharton’s dobbleganger. A fantasy indeed! </p>

<p>But what YOU believe is not that important. It only reflects how naive a teenager is or appears to be. You should refrain to present your erroneous opinions as facts, and refrain to offer advice about issues you know little to nothing about.</p>

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<p>Ugh, you really are horrible at understanding what you read aren’t you…</p>

<p>“BHP is a highly selective program, and easily the most selective at UT.”
Never denied this.</p>

<p>“In turn, the business program at Cornell is hardly the most selective at the least selective Ivy school.”
AEM has a 8% acceptance rate…</p>

<p>" In fact, your AEM program is more similar to TAMU’s than to Texas."
AEM actually gets recruited into Ibanking, but in terms of selection, you can never really say. You need to look at the pool of applicants.</p>

<p>“The bottom line is that, except for a couple of statistics, you know absolutely NOTHING about the programs in Texas or their career opportunities”
I know nothing because they are NEVER included. I also don’t know anything about santa clara university’s Ibanking placement since it too gets little attention. Not bad, just a fact.</p>

<p>" you still believe in fantasies in terms of recruiting for banking and finance as well as the value of prestige"
It is a fact that getting into banking partially depends on whether the company recruits at your school which in turn depends highly on whether your school passes a threshold of prestige. That’s a fact.</p>

<p>“You WANT to believe that Cornell is akin to HYPS and that AEM is Wharton’s dobbleganger”
I really couldn’t care less about AEM. It is a young program that has potential, but it is by no means a Wharton. I also don’t think Cornell is “akin” to HYPS but it leads to the exact same opportunities; I even included job placement to show one instance where Cornell and Princeton have very similar placement in consulting with a specific major. All I was trying to show gandhi is that prestige only matters to some extent. Who’s focusing on prestige now?</p>

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<p>I can read and that includes the questions posed by the OP. He inquired about BHP versus AEM. I suggest you read the questions again.</p>

<p>But then you clearly do not know a thing about what happens in Austin. The good news is that you have a few years ahead of you to learn about the items discussed here. There is always hope.</p>

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<p>You are right I don’t know what happens in Austin because nothing significant comes out of Austin.</p>

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<p>You wasted an opportunity to move on with a modicum of respectability. Think about this before turning into an embarrassment.</p>

<p>It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.</p>

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<p>@warblersrule - That’s true - you have a point. I have been accepted into UT BHP and I was debating where else to cast my net, as you pointed out. In the end, I will have to weigh my options with regard to the value of the education.</p>

<p>And, I see you’ve checked my previous posts! ;)</p>

<p>Yes, I did apply to ED to Wharton, and the decision is only a mere 3 weeks away (God help us all). However, Wharton is more of a dream for me than it is an actual option, unfortunately. I have a feeling I already know what the decision will be, but of course, time will tell haha.</p>

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<p>“Cornelliann is obviously a bit overly enthusiastic about his university, as freshmen tend to be, but Cornell is certainly a valid option for business.”</p>

<p>Ahhhhhh do you guys not even read my posts? Cornell is not one bit better for Ibanking than Duke, Northwestern, Dartmouth, Brown, and HYPS. It may even be a little worse than HYPS, but not much in my opinion since it comes down to fit and banks recruit at ALL of them. I am not saying that Cornell is anything extraordinary relative to its peers… I said pick any school on that list and you’ll be fine… It comes down to FIT at that point, not PRESTIGE</p>

<p>Honestly, what the hell are you guys talking about? I’m using Cornell statistics because those are the ones that I know the best, but they are nothing extraordinary compared to their peers. I’m not prestige hungry; again, I turned down MIT for Cornell and would have turned down Cornell for any college on that list should I have thought it’d be a better fit…</p>

<p>Stop pulling random opinions out of a hat and pretending that I somehow said them…</p>

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<p>@Cornellian - Calm down, it’s alright. No one is trashing you or your school - we’re just trying to view everything objectively.</p>

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<p>…I know nobody is bashing Cornell…</p>

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<p>thegandhi did they notfiy you about BHP by phone or with a letter/aid package? That’s great that you got in though, I did too but I’m from out of state, so I don’t have a great look into what the implications of the BHP are</p>

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<p>@elbeast - I recieved a call and was told that I would get the letter in December. Congratulations on getting in as well - admissions are notoriously selective. I would give you a rundown of some of the major pros and opportunities in the program, but the McComb’s BHP section of UT Austin’s site can do a much better job, haha.</p>

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<p>thegandhi, Clearly you are defending UT and are a better fit for UT (because of your love for it :-)) I suggest you go to UT. I don’t see any need for you to wait for Rice or Cornell. I hope prospective students of my daughter’s year who have clear preferences like you leave Cornell alone so my daughter will have a better chance! That would be nice! :-)</p>

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<p>@findmoreinfo - Haha, I guess it does sound as if I’m siding with UT. Not my intention; I just wanted every program to have a fair shake in comparisons. Some people tend to be overly dismissive of some options and fail to consider each program to its true potential.</p>

<p>I’m still wavering about whether or not I should apply to a few more schools. Regardless, good luck to you and your daughter.</p>