walmart and its burden on local police departments

If you take the article on faith, there aren’t many Walmart shoppers that haven’t seen a police presence. And if watching people get cuffed isn’t a deterrent, I don’t know what is.

You’re missing mine, I’m afraid. Honest people aren’t going to steal if they think they’re not being watched. And if criminals are behaving criminally, it’s not because Walmart is making them do so.

The reason I avoid the place, other than for motor oil and generic hydraulic fluid, is the clientele. And I hit it and am out by mid-morning.

@catahoula:
No, an honest, non desperate person likely won’t steal if they aren’t being watched, but honesty comes in levels of gray, too. Someone can be an honest person, yet occassionally will cheat on their taxes, if they think they can get away with it. People are supposed to report out of state purchases they have made and pay the local sales tax, but few people do.
The other factor is economics, most people who have the means will not steal, pure and simple, so my local walmart has very little shoplifting problems from what I can tell.

But if the Walmart is in a marginal area, where there is a lot of economic hardship, where there are problems with drug abuse, unemployement, you name it, then it becomes a lot easier for even an otherwise honest person to steal. Junkies looking for a fix, someone looking for cash to feed their kid, when you are in an economically depressed area the pressures to shoplift are much greater…and if there is no a visible presence there, even if 90% of shoplifters get caught, it won’t be the deterrent if people know there are store employees visibly watching the store. If you go into the electronics section (for stuff that is not locked away) and there is an employee there, other than a hard core, I don’t give a crap type is going to hesitate, whereas if the coast looks clear, they will go beyond temptation and take it. A well staffed store with heavy floor traffic is going to deter shoplifting a lot more than a store that has few employees visible, low foot traffic and otherwise looks like a rundown wreck.

BTW, my use of the police analogy was not about Walmart stores having cops there (even if the cops routinely there are to arrest people, they don’t exactly walk around the store patrolling), I was talking about deterring crime in neigborhoods by having cops present and visible, that though crime still goes on, it is a lot less likely to occur if the cops are actively in the area, monitoring it and people know it, the hard core cases won’t care, but the stupid kids, the on the fence person, will see the cops and be deterred, same with store personnel.

Walmart doesn’t go into marginal areas out fo the goodness of their heart, they go there because marginal areas often have little to no competition (put it this way, within a couple of mile area of the Walmarts where I live, there are a ton of stores at various levels; in some areas, there isn’t another store like Walmart for 50 miles or more). However, treating a marginal area like we are talking about as if it is the same as being in a more affluent area is dumb, and what Walmart is likely doing is leaving that to the local town to deal with, and as others and I have pointed out,a store with lax security and lack of presence of employees is going to be a magnet for crime and it is left up to the town to pick up the pieces, which likely is struggling as it is. Even if let’s say Walmart through local sales taxes and property taxes is returning more to the communityh then they cost in extra police work, they would be returning a lot more net if the local town didn’t have to act as security as much, and in a struggling community that extra tax revenue is likely needed.

And yes, there are different kids of drug abusers and users. Heroin and Meth use in a down at the heels area has a very different profile then if it is in an affluent one, often heroin use and oxy use and meth use is by people who can afford to buy the drugs, local high schools in some areas that are known for top notch schools are having a lot of problems with drugs, because the kids can afford it, they aren’t shoplifting or mugging people to pay for their drugs, they basically get it from mom and dad …

SNAP, Pell Grants, the EITC, childcare assistance, Medicaid, etc., etc., etc.

Yet, the reason someone trys to drag a microwave out the Walmart doors, or a TV, isn’t because they couldn’t buy either or both with the assistance they get. No, it’s because Walmart doesn’t have enough of a security presence.

And no, Walmart doesn’t maintain storefronts in marginal areas because of altruism. They also don’t charge different prices for different neighborhoods. Not that I’ve ever noticed.

What I have noticed, since I’ll stop wherever I happen to be to buy groceries, is that almost any other chain - or especially a non-chain standalone store - is charging premium prices to those who I’ve been reliably informed can’t afford it. Hosing these people, right down to the ground, for crappy, out-of-date meats and produce I wouldn’t feed to my dog.

Interesting article and thread–of special interest to me since H was in retail management for decades and my kids are cops. I’m confident Walmart has smart, qualified people heading their loss prevention management/number crunching and I’d bet they’ve made a calculated decision on what providing security vs theft costs them.

H’s employer (not Walmart) did employ zone pricing and it was higher in the stores with more theft. His corporate training and experience make him a firm believer that, given motive and opportunity, most people will steal–customers and employees alike. I’m happy he got a 2nd career, as he took stealing as a personal affront and would chase thieves out the doors, and this was before meth took its stake on this state.

I’m sure many of the individual store managers would welcome additional in-store security, but they are not allotted the payroll to support it. Walmart is the only store of its type in the 3 towns nearest me, so police departments aren’t comparing it to Target. Target draws a different clientele and income level, so I’m not sure it’s an apt comparison. I bet individual store crim stats correlate highly to the neighborhood in which they are located. Or in my case, economically depressed rural area.

I’m not a Walmart fan but I go there every few months for a fan or spiral notebooks or something. I do better on price at Aldi, the sale items at our local independent grocer and the farmers markets in season and get much better quality too.

The Walmart nearest us not only has greeters, you have to show your receipt and get your bag checked on the way out. The one a couple of miles further has the greeter but no bag check. So I’ll guess it varies by store.

One thing I noticed-the article made it seem as if letting people stay overnight in the parking lot is a bad thing. It isn’t. It is a real public service to long distance truckers. Regulations limit the number of hours they can travel without sleep.Some keep going and one reason is that there can be a real dearth of cheap safe places to sleep.Many truckers are independent contractors and have to pay for their lodging. So they prefer to sleep in their trucks.Some sleep in their trucks to save money. Some do it to protect their cargoes. This is especially the case with moving van drivers. Lots of municipalities make it illegal to sleep in your vehicle. Some truckers who deliver to Walmart started asking if they could sleep in the lots. Walmart said yes. When they were inundated with requests they made it a
corporate policy to allow it. Truckers bless them for it.

I’m not a huge Walmart fan but I do shop there. Ours is fine. The Target on the other hand reminds me of a Kmart and that’s not a good thing. :expressionless:

I prefer Target, but will go to Walmart if it is more convenient. I don’t go to either after dark if I’m alone.

http://krqe.com/2016/10/16/albuquerque-walmart-stores-a-target-for-crime/