Was it easier for us to get into college...

<p>My experience was slightly different b/c as a piano major, it was the audition that was more important (though my good grades & decent SAT score helped get me a scholarship.)</p>

<p>But I am sure that I could not get into the conservatory (Cincinnati College-Conservatory) now. It has become more well-known, more selective, and applications are up all over.</p>

<p>And since I auditioned in another city near my home, the first time I saw Cincinnati was when my parents drove me & my stuff out there.</p>

<p>Definitely, WAY WAY WAY HARDER!</p>

<p>Oh, I am not talking about USA. In the 70’s, where I came from was a thrid world country then, college was a scarce animal. We had the college entrance exam, only 1/3 of those took the exam goes to college. Many took the exam over and over, either did not get in before or did not like the colleges they are in. Transfers are even much harder, maybe 5% acceptance. So many college kids took the entrance exam again and if they improved their standing, they started the better school from freshman again. Now a days, there is an overflow of colleges in my old country, 100% of the graduating class can get into the college if you want to, of course, the top colleges are very difficlut as before.</p>

<p>I flunked out every and all college exams in my country. Came to the USA to study in a third tier no rank college then(Now it is listed within the USNWR 200). My aunt in the USA filled out the application for me and I did not know SAT/ACT existed and the rec., I just found in my mom’s archieves, was from an English Teacher, it was full of grammatical errors, never mind my essays. It did not even read like English. I had to take TOEFL though.</p>

<p>What campus visits? I literally dragged two suitcases to Martin Hall a week before classes started and asked for a dorm room… Then a young coed I met at the student center explained the schedule thing and add / drop (my college in Europe had no such amenities). </p>

<p>Comparing my first week on campus to that of my daughter is beyond laughable. I’m surprised my generation made it, armed with about as much information as Christoper Columbus had when he left to discover the West Indies. My daughter had a virtual tour of her dorm room, classrooms, studios, and probably could identify by name half the squirrels on campus before she started classes there (college visit + orientation + 8 days of partying before classes started…)</p>

<p>My state university in the mid '70s had open admissions. There was no application. If you had graduated from high school, you just showed up for registration, went to an office and wrote them a very small tuition check. I can’t remember exactly how much but do remember it was less than my sorority dues. After you wrote the check you went to a huge gym and stood in line to get computer punch cards for the classes you wanted.</p>

<p>SAT was unnecessary. ACT was used to determine placement in English classes and whether you would be admitted to the honors program. I am not sure an ACT score was necessary to register for classes. I remember there were a bunch of university administered placement tests to determine appropriate level classes for students who cared about such things. They were pretty much optional as I recall. It was possible to take non-credit remedial classes for several years before you ever reached classes that counted for credit toward a degree.</p>

<p>Looking back it was kind of amazing. :)</p>

<p>When I arrived on campus I had never seen a dorm room but was pretty familiar with several fraternity houses. ;)</p>

<p>I signed up for the same freshman dorm my mother had lived in; it didn’t occur to me it wouldn’t have AC… you know, because it was so very old!!, but it had lovely woodwork and very nice bathrooms with marble tile and antique porcelain fixtures, etc.</p>

<p>It was much easier back then; the focus was not on tests, gpa, or ECs the way it is today. Students only applied to 1-3 schools, and basically chose those schools for the name or location. Hence, that’s why so many here mentioned applying to ivys or the seven sisters. If you didn’t go to one of those, or maybe to a public due to costs, you went to a nearby LAC. Religious schools were quite an important factor, particularly Catholic colleges. That’s where I went.</p>

<p>DH was the first in his family to go to college and applied to Cornell and a small Catholic University. He got into both, but since he didn’t get a full ride at Cornell, he went to the Catholic university. He would have gotten a full ride to both today.</p>

<p>My sister, a NMF, applied to Georgetown; they lost her paperwork. By the time she found out, she quickly scrambled and applied to and went to one of the seven sisters. Georgetwon lost my son’s paperwork too 41 years later.</p>

<p>it’s not just the college application process itself that is so different, nor the expectations for these students, it’s the rigor and demands of secondary schooling that are so different today. My kids have been doing hours of homework, including weekends, since the fifth grade. The only year I spent weekends doing homework was my junior year of high school. I stopped taking math and science after tenth grade. Went to Williams College. Wouldn’t in a million years have been able to get away with that today!</p>

<p>Applied to local college and its graduate school becasue of working full time and having family. Applied only becasue my various employers paid for college and my MBA, otherwise, I would not. there was no reason for me not to be accepted. Graduated with high GPA which allowed me to get accepted to Grad. School for MBA.</p>

<p>Graduated early 80s upstate NY, 91 average, 1360 SAT, took 3 SAT IIs, 710 English, 780 Chem, 790 Math 2. Rejected Cornell (did the app the night before the deadline, not realizing that I was supposed to have recommendations), WL Bucknell (preppy Biff and Muffy interviewers, we did not click at all and I would not have gone), accepted Clarkson with full-tuition scholarship, went to RPI 75% tuition scholarship.</p>

<p>I was one of the few kids from my lower-middle class neighborhood who had been on an airplane. Most of us never considered colleges more than a few hours drive away - luckily we still had plenty of options. The friends who went to Duke and Kent State might as well have fallen off the face of the earth.</p>

<p>Ridiculously easier. I was the consensus top student at a semi-fancy private day school in Western New York. I had great test scores and lots of ECs, but all school-based, the stuff you would expect a well-socialized good student to do. If history held (and it did), the school would send multiple students to each of the Ivies (except Columbia, which no one liked) and to Williams/Amherst/Wesleyan. (Also to Hamilton, Skidmore, St. Lawrence, etc., but that was the bottom of the class.) The top boys went where they wanted, which meant Harvard, Yale, or Dartmouth (and, in one case a few years earlier, MIT).</p>

<p>I applied to Yale (where I wanted to go) and Harvard. Harvard was my safety because it was bigger than Yale and thus admitted more kids, and because it was the family school in my mother’s family although neither of my parents had been undergraduates there. </p>

<p>I intended to apply to Princeton, too. I interviewed, sent my scores and transcript, but decided I really didn’t want to go there and so never sent the completed application in. They sent me a letter in January, long after the application deadline, that said, in effect, “We can’t accept you unless you sign an application and pay the application fee. Don’t bother about writing essays.” My anxiety about getting accepted at Harvard or Yale was so low that I still wouldn’t even sign a Princeton application. (None of those schools had any form of early admissions, then.)</p>

<p>OK, but I stood out, so I’m not a great test of how much easier it was then. My best friend is. He wasn’t the top student in our class – just one of the top 6-7. He wasn’t the top athlete, either – just one of the top 10 or so of them. The combination, however, made him the school’s best scholar-athlete . . . not that he was good enough to play any of his sports on an Ivy varsity. No matter – the best scholar-athlete tag effectively meant he, too, got to go anywhere he wanted. He applied to Yale and Princeton, and nowhere else, and got into both. </p>

<p>Two of our other classmates also went to Yale, three to Harvard, two to Dartmouth (which was very low – my school loved Dartmouth), two to Princeton, four or five to Williams. (The class was about 110 students, the first co-ed class ever at my school. We had 20 girls, all but one of whom had been attending a very different, much less competitive girls, school my school bought. The top student among the legacy girls went to Bucknell.) The second-best student was a STEM type on scholarship with no athletics or ECs, who refused to apply to MIT because he didn’t want to go that far from home, and only applied to RPI.</p>

<p>Yes I laugh about it now. I filled out my one UC application and ranked in order UCLA, UCSB, UCSD. Got accepted to UCLA in 1981 but I was never worried. I remember there was a chart with what SAT score you needed based on your GPA. If your GPA was 3.3 or above it didn’t matter what your SAT score was. Of course there were no GPA’s over 4.0. I took the SAT once and scored an 1100, never even occurred to me to retake it. As far as visiting we drove through UCLA, I was familiar with UCSB and I never even saw UCSD. In fact I visited UCSD for the first time when my son was applying to colleges. I really liked it and it turned out to be his second choice.</p>

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<p>Okay, if you insist, I’ll qualify it: A motivated student can get an excellent education at any non-profit college that has that student’s major.</p>

<p>Happy now?</p>

<p>Back in the 70s I went to our instate cow college where the admission requirements were pretty much a high school diploma and a pulse. I don’t think I paid more than $12,000 for 4 years of tuition, fees, room and board. Now I pay twice that amount for a single semester for my son.</p>

<p>I know that only kids who wanted to go to college took the ACT. And we only took it once. Applied to only one school and went. Not much thought to it. Now days the majority of kids go to community college and the ones with financial means go to 4 year universities. Alot of pressure to get athletic scholarships and merit scholarships too. My poor daughter is stressed out about grades all the time. She wants to be a pharmacists and go to a private school. I am worried because we don’t have the financial means. Constantly looking for financial aid advice and anything else to make it possible.</p>

<p>Great thread! In 1976, I had been in this country for four year. I had no idea about colleges outside my state, so I applied to three colleges and was accepted to all three. Only took the SAT once, without any preparation and most importantly, my father was able to pay the tuition without loans!!! And we were not rich by any means…he was a factory worker.</p>

<p>I graduated HS in 1970, perfect 4.0 GPA, near-1600 CR + M SAT (on the old scale, before re-centering), strong ECs, valedictorian. I think in retrospect I could have pretty much written my own ticket in college admissions in those days, but there was only one school I ever wanted to attend, and that was the University of Michigan. My HS GC made a feeble attempt to get me to consider other options. He showed me some information about a special scholarship the University of Chicago was offering to graduates of rural and small-town Midwestern high schools (of whom they likely were getting few), but even with the scholarship it still would have been more expensive than Michigan–need-based FA was not what it is today, even at the fanciest privates, and tuition at Michigan, although high in comparison to other in-state public options, was less than $1,000/year. My GC also had me fill out a complicated questionnaire by a for-profit college matching service; he was given the opportunity to test it out for free with one student. It came up with a pretty random list of colleges, some of which I had never heard of: Wesleyan, RPI, Vassar (which had just gone coed), Illinois Institute of Technology, and others more forgettable. The list was so random and so varied in quality that I suspected these were schools that had paid the matching service to be promoted, and the service was looking to collect fees on both ends. I filed it in the circular file, and I don’t think the matching service lasted long. That was the best my GC could come up with; as the graduate of a relatively undistinguished in-state public university (one of the “directional” Michigans), his horizons were somewhat limited.</p>

<p>I’d estimate about 40% of my HS class went to college, all but a handful to in-state publics. One guy, a math whiz who was with us just in our senior year, went to Stanford—but he had been living in California until his senior year and was a Stanford legacy, so that was “going home” for him. About half of those attending college went to our closest state university, another quarter to our next-closest state university, 5 or 6 to Michigan State, 2 of us to Michigan, the rest mostly scattered at other in-state publics, except for a handful who went to a local private 2-year college from which they planned to transfer to a state university for their last two years. Going to Michigan was regarded as pretty much the pinnacle of success. In my class, the valedictorian and salutatorian went to Michigan; the next bunch split between Michigan State and Michigan Tech; and the rest went to less selective and by reputation “easier” state schools." </p>

<p>That wasn’t the case in every town, though. We, too, had moved between my sophomore and junior years in HS. I didn’t keep close tabs on all my old friends from my first HS, but I do know that one of my closest friends went to Dartmouth, and another went to Colgate. But their families had Northeast ties. Someone from an earlier class from that school had gone to Northwestern, but that was also very unusual. The general feeling was, why pay exorbitant private college tuition when we have a great in-state public option like the University of Michigan, one of the world’s top universities?</p>

<p>Like everyone else who had ambitions (or mere thoughts) of attending college, I took the ACT once without prep. Like a smaller number, I also took the SAT once without prep. If memory serves, Michigan required the SAT in those days; all the other publics in the state used the ACT, so it kind of set you apart as academically ambitious if you took the SAT. I had heard of test prep books, but I didn’t know anyone who used them, and it smelled vaguely of “gaming” the test to resort to that. </p>

<p>I applied to one school–you guessed it, the University of Michigan. I got my application in by sometime in September, was admitted under their rolling admission process by sometime in October, was offered and accepted a place in the honors program, and never looked back. There was never any doubt in my mind, or my GC’s mind, or my parents’ minds that I would be admitted. The director of admissions at Michigan State had personally assured me that if I applied there, I would be admitted to their honors college and given a big 4-year merit scholarship; my mother found that tempting, I didn’t, and I won the argument. Michigan did offer a one-year merit scholarship that covered most of my first year’s tuition.</p>

<p>Easier? You bet. Saner, too, in my opinion, than today’s long, drawn-out, high-stress competitive process. I felt I got an outstanding undergraduate education–honors, B.A. in philosophy with the opportunity to interact daily and face-to-face with top faculty in one of those most highly regarded philosophy departments in the world. My only educational aspiration for my daughters has been to give them comparable undergraduate opportunities to those I had. I’m confident we’re doing that now with D1, and we’re well on our way toward achieving that with D2 who is a HS junior with credentials that are shaping up nicely. The only downsides are that it’s costing me $50K+ per child per year, or realistically probably closer to $500K total for the two of them by the time all is said and done; and they need to endure a much more stressful and fraught path to get to the promised land.</p>

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<p>That was the chart for UC eligibility. Some campuses and majors were more selective than that; I remember students applying to Berkeley but getting acceptances from Irvine (at least one of them went instead to community college and transferred to Berkeley as a junior). Berkeley at the time was not that hard to get into generally (but harder than base UC eligibility), but certain (mainly engineering) majors were already getting very difficult to get into.</p>

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<p>There should also be the qualification that the major at the school has sufficient breadth and depth. I remember a few threads from intended computer science majors considering schools where the course offerings in computer science were very limited, even though the schools did offer computer science majors (one of the schools in question was a USNWR top 20 school).</p>

<p>BCLINTONK - nice post. I identified with most of the comments in your post. Small town North Carolina, applied to one school, UNC, but nowhere close to 1600 on the SAT. But for small town NC, good enough for the honors program at UNC. Of course, I got schooled pretty fast, as most of my classmates in my freshman classes were Morehead Scholars or some other whiz bang students. It was a great opportunity.</p>

<p>The main thing is - and why this thread is so appealing - is your point about giving your daughters the educational opportunities afforded by U of M in the seventies. It will cost a lot more, but for my S and D, I know they will grow in a thousand ways.</p>

<p>I am going to be the one outlier here, and say that my experience, while easier than today, was still stressful and difficult.</p>

<p>I went to a very large NYC high school. I was ranked in the top 1 percent. I had good ECs (for then) and SATs (over 700). I took the SATs twice. I studied a lot the second time. I had many friends who took test prep classes. My friends and I were extremely nervous about taking the tests, just like kids today. We talked a lot about college admissions, and were concerned about our chances, and we spent a lot of time on our applications.</p>

<p>All my friends applied to safeties, matches and reaches. Many of us didn’t get into our reach schools. Several of my friends had to go to state schools because they didn’t get into their reaches, or couldn’t afford the ones they did get into. I didn’t get into Princeton or Wesleyan. The week the decisions came out (it was April 15 then), we were all on the phone comparing notes. The acceptance rate for Brown was around 30%, if I recall correctly. So yes, it was easier than today, but not a slam dunk. While many of my classmates were accepted to the Ivies, many were denied or watlisted. And the decisions often made little sense (#2 in the class got into Princeton and Brown, waitlisted by Yale, denied by Dartmouth).</p>

<p>I don’t know why my experience was so radically different than every other person who has commented on this thread. I remember the process being extremely stressful, and I am positive that many of my friends from back then would agree.</p>

<p>I went to a huge NYC school to, and there several subcultures in my school…hmmmm…Aviva, is that you?^</p>

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