Washington Post, "No, honey, you can't be anything you want to be. And that's ok"

Or, alternatively, “Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you’ll be floating in the inky blackness of space, unable to either breathe or shield yourself from solar radiation.”

After having followed along with this thread for a while, I’m wondering if part of the problem may be that for some children, being told that they can achieve anything they want to is motivating; for others, being told they can achieve anything they want to is demotivating.

We really want to have things that we can generalize across everybody, so that we know what to say without really thinking about it. But maybe, just perhaps, the answers aren’t quite so easy, and different people have to be treated differently—or maybe, just to make it a bit trickier, the same person has to be treated differently at different times.

I worked briefly at a local art school. I can’t tell you how many teens would come in and tell me “ever since I was small I dreamed about being an artist.” I smile and nod because almost invariably they haven’t done anything BUT dream. I’ve never been big on dreams, especially when it comes to the arts. In our house we don’t use the “D” word. Dreaming is something you do at night with your eyes closed. I’ve always been big on just being. I’ve told my D since she was around 7 not to dream about being a musician. Be a musician. And embrace all the hard study and practice that it involves.
It worked out.

It’s in the teenage years that reality starts to bite-- the reality that our snowflake doesn’t have the elite motorskills to be a Major League baseball pitcher or doesn’t have the work ethic to hack med school.

Many (most?) people managers are familiar with the SMART system of setting goals. The ‘A’ stands for achievable (or attainable depending upon who you read).

Many of us fail to do so with our own children. Is it more loving to blow sunshine up their shorts or be honest with them about their own shortcomings?

Genes have a big part to play. Hard work can only get you so far. Without some natural ability you will never be the best or even among the top at a given activity.

@blossom But not everything is possible despite hard work and desire. If you are not innately talented, you aren’t going to be a ballerina even if you work hard. If your IQ is average and you struggle and struggle to get A’s in math, you are not going into some sciences and that’s a fact.

Persistence and dedication work most of the time but nature can cut you off at the knees.

My question is why do we bother telling kids what they can be when they are so young when there is no need? Their enjoyment of an activity is enough reward while they are young. We don’t need to feed fantasies or even feed plausible dreams during their formative years. This constant urge to direct them into paths is unhealthy. If you’ve got a chubby, stout legged 10 year old who loves dancing, why chat her up about scholarships and competitions she has no chance of getting? At the same time, why try to redirect her away from dance to something more suitable when she’s just liking to dance? Only the slowest of children at 14 or 15 won’t see their limitations if they don’t have “it”.

And why do we bother telling children that everything is in their power to control their future when it’s patently not true? There are dozens of things impacting our plans for good and bad. Better to tell them to always work to their best, enjoy the now, and patiently see what the future holds. Part of this culture’s unhappiness lies in the fact that we all believe we have the power to control our personal world. That makes failure a tragedy for many instead of a normal part of life.

I see the problem more in when you tell them that “they can become anything” when they’re already starting to see that they don’t have what it takes, that no matter how hard they try they are inferior to their most talented classmates in a particular sense, such as in dancing. The message you are sending at that point isn’t, “do what you like to do” but “the only reason you haven’t done as well as they did is because you didn’t work hard enough to achieve your goals.” That’s not what you should be telling kids who at that age are still impressionable and are starting to reach the point where their decisions have a lot of impact on the rest of their lives (as opposed to earlier than 14, when pretty much everyone follows the same curriculum as far as schooling goes).

@mtmcmt Your example of chubby kids in dance competitions reminded me of Abigail Breslin in the movie Little Miss Sunshine. As I recall, Greg Kinnear, her dad, is a motivational speaker and a true believer in the “you can be anything” philosophy. It’s sad but hilarious when they arrive at the competition and he finally sees and understands reality.

One of the problems is people see things in black and white, when life has many shades of gray. I agree totally that the idea “you can be anything” is idiotic but so is the idea that you shouldn’t shoot for high goals, either, because 'that’s impossible". One of the biggest drivers of a kid’s growth is imagination and dreaming, and the thing that drives me most up the wall is parents telling kids that ‘that isn’t how you do it’ or “that’s impossible”, the magic of kids is that they can dream the impossible, and if it isn’t beaten out of them, it can often happen, genius and breakthroughs don’t come about by parents who from a young age tell a kid they should do something solid in life and stop dreaming, the parents for example who tell a kid the only thing in life is to go to an ivy league university and become an investment banker (and that is not a knock on the ivy league schools, lots of people came out of there who could dream and do amazing things, it is the parents at fault).

I saw this plenty of times growing up, and I wanted to smack the parents. Kid wanted to play little league baseball, and the stupid parent telling him/her “why, you’ll never be good, your a klutz”, the kid who wanted to try and instrument, and being told “you’ll never be good at it”, you name it. The point of “you can be anything” is to try and stop kids from self limiting, and better, not necessarily listen to what adults tell them (the worse thing an adult can tell a child,when they imagine something outlandish , “stop acting like a kid, grow up”…I would love to tell them they would have been saying that to people like Einstein and Feynman, who in some ways never lost that ‘being a kid’. The point being that there is nothing wrong with playing baseball or taking an instrument or whatever, as a kid, they should believe that anything is possible (and here i am talking younger kids).

That doesn’t mean that you should not be realistic, either, especially as kids get older. So while there is nothing wrong with young kids taking ballet lessons or gymnastics, or playing baseball and getting instruction, at that age telling them go for it is fine, even though as a parent you know it would be highly unlikely they would be able to make it. For one thing, you don’t know, there is a ballerina with the NYC Ballet these days, she is a tall young African American woman, according to conventional wisdom, she is too big, too tall to be a ballet dancer (and someone also should look at Peter Maartins, the artistic director of the NYCB, he is like 6’ 3, and was a top level ballet dancer in his time). All those parents supporting their kids in things like football and baseball should or have to know the odds of them becoming ball players professionally is dismal, yet what is wrong with being on traveling teams and such, if the kid gets something out of it (on the other hand, supporting that and not the kid who is bright and wants to go to a robotics program or a chess program is idiotic, too, or worse, the kid who is good at baseball, not also supporting him/her wanting to play chess). There is a time when you realize you aren’t going to make it, my son played little league, was okay at it, enjoyed it, but it wasn’t his passion, but the thing is, by the time kids hit about 11 or 12, a lot of those dreams are going to die by themselves, by that time baseball and sports become more restrictive, and with things like ballet and gymnastics those not good enough already know that, just by looking at what is around them. A lot of that realism comes about when the kid sees the world around them changing.

Sometimes too it is the parent who loses sigh of reality, I have seen the kids talented in a sport who want to drop it, because it no longer interests them, or because they realize that down the road, they won’t make it, so they want to play it more casually, without all the travel teams and coaches, and perhaps play in college, but the parent, with the dreams of MLB or the NFL or whatnot, won’t let it die.

Realism is telling the kid, at an appropriate age, about what the world is really like, and letting them make their own decisions. I get into trouble a lot on the music majors forum, because some kid will come in, at 16, 17,saying how they just got the passion for music, picked up an instrument, and their goal was to get into a good music program and then become a musician with a top orchestra, and I’ll tell them the reality, that it will be unlikely they would be able to achieve their goal, and while I might offer other suggestions, like keep playing the instrument in college but major in something else and then as an adult they could potentially keep playing, if not as a pro, as a semi pro or amateur musicians and still have it. On the other hand, there have been people, who claim to know how difficult music is, saying “why would you let your son major in music, it is impossible to make a living, why support a dream like that?”.
What that of course misses is my son went on his path with his eyes wide open, as we did. For example, though as a violinist they train them to be soloists, he knew a long time ago that he likely had neither that kind of talent or in reality the desire, to try and become one, he always has been more into ensemble playing. Likewise, because he was around a lot of adult musicians, he knew the reality of that world, so he wasn’t dreaming it as much as trying to live into it. He still is, but he knows, he isn’t like some kids at his stage of development, thinking he will be the next Perlman, pursuing the competitions, and so forth shrug. On my part, I also understand that what he is going through is going to be incredible life lessons no matter what he does, whether he goes into the academic side of music and teachers, or ends up doing something else as a vocation, none of his ‘dreaming’ i believe will be wasted.

I think in the end it is like everything else in life, it becomes what is age appropriate. A 6 or 7 year old kid getting into baseball big time and dreaming of being a great baseball player is a kid dreaming of something bigger, a kid at 15 or 16 doing that when it is obvious he/she isn’t good enough is a different thing. Far too many parents apply their story, their own view, to the world of kids, and throw a bucket on things when it is kind of idiotic to do so. In the movie “October Sky”, the father is constantly berating his son’s fascination with rockets and space travel, wants him to do the practical thing and work in the mines…kid ends up winning a science fair and going to college on a scholarship, and working for NASA.The fetish these days that there are only a few acceptable tracks, that if you don’t go to an elite college and study something ‘useful’ you will be trash, kind of needs balance, and maybe the idea of ‘you can do anything’ is a nice counterbalance to that, and in the end, it ends up being something in the middle, hopefully:)

I always took “you can be anything” to mean that neither you nor anyone else should assume that you * can’t * do anything. I thought it was meant to make people discover their own limits, instead of guessing what they are based on stereotypes and preconceptions.

^ Then, maybe parents should be more careful and explicit and say “you can be anything, within your personal limits.”

I saw this pinned on the bulletin board outside the swimming pool where my kids were learning to swim:

“Most people would succeed in small things if they were not troubled with great ambitions.”

                                                                                                               Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

I wanna like @musicprnt 's post 10 times! You summed it up great!

@musicprnt - Are you referring to Misty Copeland, the ballerina? If so, she dances with the American Ballet Theatre. not the NYCB, and it’s not that she was too tall, but rather that she doesn’t have the classical “ballerina” body type (the reason the NYCB woudn’t hire her- they are very particular about that “Ballenchine” type and although they have long had African American dancers in the company, Misty doesn’t fit their mold) and she got quite a late start in ballet, whereas, again, NYCB dancers tend to come right from their own training school. Misty is 5’2’ but has an athletic build and even though she is quite talented, physical type alone would keep her out of some companies. As for Peter Maartins, men’s height doesn’t work again them since they are in demand to partner the taller ballerinas who also gain a couple of inches on toe!

Around my neighborhood, This seems to be more of a parent problem than a kid problem. (The following example is definitely filed under “First World Problems”, and is not reflective of the real problems in most of the country.)

Parents do a lot of big dreaming. Parents sign kid up for a rec. lacrosse league at age six. Kid has some early success, and likes the sport, and the next thing you know the family is schlepping all over a three state area attending tournaments and clinics and the kid is playing year round. Can he come to a sleep over birthday party? No, he’s got to get to bed early for a tournament. Or no, we’ll be leaving right after school on Friday and won’t get back until 11 PM Sunday.

This is not because the kid is dreaming big. This is because the parent is dreaming big. How can you tell? When the kid says he wants to try a different sport or participate in the middle school play or join a scout troup, or try the robotics team, and the parent seem to can’t let go of his own Hopkins LAX dreams.

"This is not because the kid is dreaming big. This is because the parent is dreaming big. " - This is funny, considering that this is basically stating that I was dreaming about driving my D. to few activities after job every day, dreaming about having her eat her warmed up in MW at the office dinner in my car and coming home when my H. was already asleep. I cannot see that somebody is dreaming about it. Nope. I was dreaming about time when she finally drops couple of her activities, it was not my fault that it took her few years to do so. I could see it right away that she was not good at everything, just like nobody else out there is good at everything, with exception of maybe Michelangelo and few other geniuses. But what if I never gave her a chance to be introduced to the wide range and let her to decide? She would have missed lots and lots of fun in her life, our family would have missed the most wonderful experiences of our life! Looking back, I have no regrets whatsoever, she had fun, we had fun, we all had memories that will last a life time and we did not have time to waste on watching TV or playing the video games, these are the only things that we missed and missing these is another benefit that is greatly overlook. Why many complain that kids spend too much on either? Just make them busy, you are a parent, you can control this, complaining will not accomplish that! What we did not dream about was Harvard, Stanford,…etc. In fact, our kid did not dream about them either, instead, in HS she started dreaming of becoming an MD, and it happened for her because her dreams were supported by one simple plan, her OWN plan - working hard as she always did in everything that she decided to pursue. And the fact that the hard work has paid off in everything that SHE finally CHOOSE to pursuit was the most invaluable aspect of them all. Our input was to offer many opportunities, it was her decision to grab the ones that she liked.

hard work can pay off especially when family supports the dream emotionally.

Now some are more fortunate than others, living under the roof of say a hedge fund manager who can then seed them and mentor them to build their dream.

Bottom line - as a famous clarinetist said:
“Practice and hope, but never hope more than you practice”

I think a more accurate statement is you can try anything you want and see where you can take it. I like the idea of letting your kids try and succeed or try and fail. Beyond that not too much would have to be said. Failure will have one of at least three outcomes. They give up entirely, try harder only to realize they need to modify their original goals or try harder and succeed. There is nothing wrong with a child being successful until they’re not. How many little league players dream of becoming pros. Most won’t go beyond HS. I did live next door to a family whose son later had a son who is a pitcher in the major leagues (Derek Holland) so one young man I met when he was a child achieved his dream.

Assuming one can afford ballet lessons your aspiring ballerina will either someday realize she/he is not good enough to be a professional or become a professional. As the father of a dancer it was about her sophomore year of HS when she realized that while she could continue to get better their were other dancers who had far more potential than she just within her own company. Multiply that by the dozens of dance studios in our city, other cities, our state and nationally being a dancer was not a likely career move for her. I never had to tell her that she “couldn’t be a professional dancer”. Life experience made it apparent. Having said that she still loves to dance and will either be doing a second major or a minor in dance.

Misty Copeland is a good example of “why you can’t be anything you want.” She is a PRODIGY. She started ballet late: age 13. Three months later she was en pointe. A year later she won a NATIONAL competition.

I know kids who have been doing ballet, playing the saxophone, swimming for years, and they’re still middling.

There’s a third possibility: the young person might have what it takes to become a professional but decide that this is not what s/he wants in life.

Or a fourth possibility- the “not good enough” ballerina becomes a physical therapist with a thriving private practice treating dancers. Or a lawyer who specializes in employment contracts and labor issues with major arts organizations. Or an executive at an insurance company who runs a profitable business writing P&C policies for performing arts centers, concert halls and other venues. Or a media relations adviser who works with arts institutions and ballet companies on PR and marketing.

Etc.

Why demotivate a kid so early in his/her life that becoming a Walmart Greeter is about the only safe career option???