WashU (60K/year) vs UVA (40K/year) vs UTulsa (0/year) vs UAlabama (-4K/year) for premed

If you are serious about med school, go to the cheapest college you like (sounds like Tulsa) and save what you can for Med School.

My kid is planning on med school and I am so glad they went to the lowest priced school. They are doing research in Chemical Engineering, have near perfect grades, did a study abroad in Rural medicine as well as being invited to be an ambassador for their major for incoming and freshman students, all stuff that looks great for med school applications ( and they are only a sophomore) They have a great advisor who looks for stuff, plus they love their college experience… that’s important too. So choose someplace you like but doesn’t involve loans and save your budget

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University of Alabama is one of the public universities receiving massive amounts of federal and specifically NIH funding. They’re at risk of losing hundreds of millions of dollars - I wouldn’t assume anything about future research opportunities there in the current climate:

As NIH Announces Cuts, UAB Could Lose Hundreds of Millions in Research Grants | The Birmingham Times

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You may be correct but the article is about UAB, not the school the student was admitted to - U of Alabama, which is in Tuscaloosa.

UAB is a medical powerhouse. Bama is not.

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Research is often over-valued by pre-meds and their parents. While some research exposure is expected in a pre-med, 1-2 semesters during undergrad or a summer intensive research program is plenty. (And this expectation is changing as research funding is disappearing right before eyes!)

Take a look at this document. On p 15, there’s the results of a survey of Adcomm officers and what they view as important when deciding who to interview and admit.

Research is of medium importance–equivalent to having a job that’s not medical or clinical.

And selectivity of the undergrad is of the lowest importance. So having the WashU or UVA name isn’t going to move the needle on getting a med school admission.

What is important? sGPA, MCAT score, community service with disadvantaged communities or groups, clinical volunteering or employment, physician shadowing, and holding leadership roles in your activities.

Please, don’t go into huge debt to go to WashU. It’s great school, but pre-med cannot afford to take on that kind debt. Physicians don’t earn what they once did, relatively speaking. Most physicians today are salaried employees of large healthcare organizations. Plus reimbursement for physicians has not kept up with inflation over the last 10-15 years.

Also after med school, you will have 3-12 years of relatively low pay. Resident salaries start in the mid $50K range and if you live in a high cost of living are (very likely since that’s where most major hospitals are located), you won’t have money left at the end of the month to make any kind pay down on your undergrad + med school loans.

PSLF and loan forgiveness is going away and even the possibility of relatively low interest w/ favorable repayment options federal government loans for med school may be going away.

Be smart–don’t saddle yourself with huge debt. Even if you make it into med school (and the odds say you won’t), $600K is a lot to pay off even on doctor’s salary.

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I think this person is wildly irresponsible, to pressure a teenager to shackle himself and his parents with six-figure debt and call it an investment in himself. Is this person lining up to invest their future financial security? Words are cheap; college isn’t. In this person’s desired scenario, they get bragging rights and you get an albatross of debt. Reprehensible advice, especially with the unfolding economic catastrophe that’s currently being thrust upon us.

You earned a full ride (more than one full ride option in fact!); nobody has any business pressuring you to forfeit that.

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Does this college advisor advertise where their clients are attending college, and thus is better for him/her to have WUSTL and UVA clients?

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Sorry, but that has to be the worst advice I’ve ever heard coming from a counselor. That’s financial suicide. Of all the premed hopefuls coming out of high school, only a small fraction of them actually apply to medical school. College is a maturation process where your real passions are found. Here’s the reality…graduating from an honors program is a tangible accomplishment you can put on a resume/application. THAT is what can get you into medical school, not college brand name. Statistics are mostly lies anyway, in my humble opinion. Take the full ride and run. Whatever career path you choose, your older self will thank you later.

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I would bet on this being a factor. Also, they may be in this field in the first place because they’re a “true believer” in the “Ivy+ or bust” mindset. But whether it’s self-interest or zealotry, or a blend of both, it’s simply not okay to push massive debt on teenagers.

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Ditto. OP should ask his/her advisor if they will pay the $200K in loans for them!! If not, its a non-issue. TERRIBLE advice.

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You have 2 reasonable choices: Tulsa and Bama - one small, one big. U of SC Honors is affordable too and offers a better Honors College (in terms of opportunities).
Are you able to visit? If not, email Admissions and ask whether they organized fly ins for first gen students or students whose parents’income is $xxx and below.

You may also want to email and ask where their research funding comes from because all the national grant systems that support research are being gutted.
Is the state going to try&replace them? Does the institution have the means to cover a fraction of the difference? How is that going to affect the funds the college manages in general and the way it teaches undergrads (class sizes, number of class offerings, etc)

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Hi! I don’t have much to add here—you’ve gotten lots of great advice!

I just wanted to say that my son was in a similar situation—NMF, biochem, likely premed, choosing between UA and UTulsa. He ultimately committed to the latter and is super excited.

I reached out S25’s admissions counselor, who sent us a bunch of great info about how TU supports premeds. Also, research opportunities are apparently plentiful—Google Tulsa Undergraduate Research Challenge (TURC) for more info.

That said, Alabama is a fantastic school, too, with excellent resources and opportunities. You have two really great free/inexpensive options—you can’t go wrong either way! :slightly_smiling_face:

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