<p>however, rankings such as the one above are focused on the university as a whole. few would argue that attending McGill (21) is a better choice for undergrad than Penn, Brown, Northwestern, etc., though it is ranked higher than the latter.</p>
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<p>What the majority think is really not the issue. As with all rankings the raw data is far more useful than the rankings themselves.</p>
<p>yes, but my point is that those rankings consider the universities as a whole (i.e. graduate and undergraduate programs). Some schools are known for their excellent grad programs but lack in the undergrad department, whereas others (Brown, Princeton, Dartmouth) are more focused on the undergraduate student body and thus may fall short in those rankings.</p>
<p>Yea. Im sure all of those colleges are better than Dartmouth <em>rolls eyes</em></p>
<p>Naturally they are. Outside of your little bubble, rolling your eyes gets you nowhere, research ratings do…</p>
<p>Brand_182:</p>
<p>“…if you’re arguing that NYU undergrad is better than basically every school for practically every major imaginable.”</p>
<p>I never said that. I said, and will repeat, that NYU is academically better, in vast majority of departments, than Amherst, Dartmouth, Wesleyan, the schools that you mentioned in #35. Look up any research ranking to confirm this. No wonder, these are essentially LACs (Dartmouth slightly on steroids) which, like all other LACs, emphasize teaching but are very weak in research. NYU is a major research university, so let us not compare apples and oranges.</p>
<p>WOW…atnyu…you are a sad brother/sister…</p>
<p>maybe in business or fine arts, but other than that… I think not!(400th post, YEA)</p>
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<p>Since when is a major research university a better choice for someone wanting to major in Philosophy, History, or even Economics? Anyways, I’m not going to debate whether NYU is a better choice for undergraduate study than Dartmouth/Wes/Amherst/etc. You have your opinion and I (and probably everyone else here) has another.</p>
<p>Data mostly drawn from USNWR</p>
<p>OBJECTIVE DATA</p>
<p>Undergraduate Enrollment:
NYU: 20,566 Northwestern: 8075 Tufts: 5078
Vanderbilt: 6400 Wash U: 7466</p>
<p>Cost (Tuition & Fees):
NYU: $33,420 Northwestern: $33,559 Tufts: $34,730
Vanderbilt: $33,440 Wash U: $33,788</p>
<p>Graduation & Retention Rank
NYU: 39th Northwestern: 8th Tufts: 19th
Vanderbilt: 30th Wash U: 17th
-% of Students expected to graduate in 6 years:
NYU: 85% Northwestern: 91% Tufts: 87%
Vanderbilt: 85% Wash U: 90%
-% of students who do graduate in 6 years:
NYU: 83% Northwestern: 93% Tufts: 90%
Vanderbilt: 88% Wash U: 91%</p>
<p>Faculty Resources Rank:
NYU: 28th Northwestern: 9th Tufts: 22nd
Vanderbilt: 10th Wash U: 6th
-% of classes with 50+ students
NYU: 13% Northwestern: 9% Tufts: 5%
Vanderbilt: 7% Wash U: 9%
-% of classes with <20 students
NYU: 60% Northwestern:72% Tufts: 75%
Vanderbilt: 66% Wash U: 73%
-Faculty/student ratio
NYU: 11/1 Northwestern: 7/1 Tufts: 7/1
Vanderbilt: 9/1 Wash U: 7/1</p>
<p>Student Selectivity Rank:
NYU: 35th Northwestern: 17th Tufts: 17th (tie)
Vanderbilt: 26th Wash U: 6th
-Average SAT/ACT:
NYU: 1240-1420 Northwestern: 1320-1500 Tufts: 1330-1480
Vanderbilt: 1280-1460 Wash U: 1360-1520
-% of students ranking in top 10% of high school class
NYU: 68% Northwestern: 82% Tufts: 80%
Vanderbilt: 77% Wash U: 93%
-% acceptance rate
NYU: 37% Northwestern: 30% Tufts: 28%
Vanderbilt: 35% Wash U: 19%</p>
<h1>of NMS Finalists from 2005 and % of student body:</h1>
<p>NYU: 124 (2%) Northwestern: 178 (9%) Tufts: 57 (4.5%)
Vanderbilt: 183 (11.5) Wash U:</p>
<h1>of 1500 scorers enrolled and % of student body:</h1>
<p>NYU: 1891 (9%) Northwestern: 1998 (25%) Tufts: 1115 (22%)
Vanderbilt: 1026 (16%) Wash U: 1882 (25%)</p>
<p>Financial Resources Rank:
NYU: 39th Northwestern: 14th Tufts: 37th
Vanderbilt: 15th Wash U: 4th </p>
<p>Alumni Giving % and Rank:
NYU: 11% (150th) Northwestern: 29% (29th) Tufts: 26% (32nd)
Vanderbilt: 27% (30th) Wash U:38% (10th)</p>
<p>SUBJECTIVE DATA</p>
<p>Peer Assessment:
NYU: 3.8 Northwestern: 4.4 Tufts: 3.7
Vanderbilt: 4.1 Wash U: 4.1</p>
<p>Based on the objective factors NYU would appear to be the laggard in these comparisons. The student profile at Wash U, Northwestern, and Tufts are stronger than Vanderbilt and NYU. Lots to chew on positively for Wash U and likewise lots of strong comparisons in favor of Northwestern. Among academics, none of these (with possible exception of NU) get much respect compared to similarly ranked schools. My personal view is that all of these schools are underrated (for different reasons) and that most offer an educational product that is the equal of the lower Ivies.</p>
<p>Whoop DE DOOO</p>
<p>These research ratings are a complete joke. If they’re so accurate, who do the people recognize that Dartmouth is a good college?</p>
<p>Because those people are wrong. </p>
<p>I’ve seen your posts in other threads and it seems like you’re having a hard time coping with the fact that you have nothing to back up the prejudices you’ve been fed at school. Get used to it. It’s going to happen a lot in years to come…</p>
<p>Alright buddy, lets have a big CC vote. Dartmouth V WashU. If Dartmouth wins, you leave and never come back. If WashU wins, Ill leave and never come back. Hows that?</p>
<p>Do you possess the faculty of eyesight combined with the skill of reading? I don’t care what your high-school friends (real or online) think about where is ‘prestigious’, nor do graduate schools or top employers…</p>
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<p>Lmao. I like that.</p>
<p>Anyways, I don’t think anybody is arguing (or should argue) that Dartmouth is a bad college. I (and many fellow applicants in my area) see WashU and Dartmouth as peer colleges, though some may think one is better than the other and that is fine; however, to argue that one is far better than the other is misguided. You will have a hard time proving that WashU isn’t even comparable to Dartmouth.</p>
<p>lol…WashU is a great school …better than NYU…</p>
<p>I will attend NYU in the fall for graduate school.</p>
<p>NYU is an emerging school regarding undergraduate academics – a school on the ascendancy, a “diamond in the rough,” so to speak. NYU is rising annually in ranking systems that assess academic quality of a school. NYU is not on the level of some of those schools mentioned in this thread yet. It was not until recently the school began to be viewed as an option for bright high school students in the U.S. to attend. </p>
<p>atnyu, in the next 10 or so years, if NYU continues to attract astute high school students, the school will be in the top 20. NYU is a top 40 school now, but this may change.</p>
<p>MikeU,</p>
<p>As you know, rankings depend on the factors considered and the weights put on them. In the two widely cited academic/research rankings of world universities,
<a href=“http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14321230/site/newsweek/[/url]”>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14321230/site/newsweek/</a>,
and
<a href=“http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006_Top100.htm[/url]”>http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006_Top100.htm</a> ,</p>
<p>NYU is ranked 25th and 21st in the US, respectively.</p>
<p>According to Newsweek International, their List uses the following methodology in composing its ranking:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>50% of score divided equally among three measures
a. the number of highly cited researchers in various academic fields
b. the number of articles published in Nature and Science
c. the number of articles listed in ISI Social Sciences and Arts & Humanities indices</p></li>
<li><p>40% of the score divided equally among four measures
a. the percentage of international faculty
b. the percentage of international students
c. the citations per faculty member (using ISI data)
d. the ratio of faculty to students</p></li>
<li><p>10% of the score is decided by library holdings (number of volumes)</p></li>
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<p>Just to put this in perspective, UC Berkeley is 5th, U Michigan is 11th and UCLA is 12th. By contrast, Princeton is 15th, Brown is 56th, U Virginia is 80th, Emory is 93rd, and Dartmouth, Rice, and Notre Dame (among other notables) are not ranked. Clearly, this ranking is using a methodology that is out of sync with how the vast majority of Americans would view these schools. </p>
<p>In the second List, the methodology is not disclosed, but seems to rely on a combination of factors involving Alumni, Awards, and some factors called HiCi, N&S (Nature & Science?), SCI, and Size. The results are again highly inconsistent with how most observers would see American educational institutions. For example, UCSD is ranked 13th and UCLA is 14th while Duke is 31st, Northwestern is 33rd, Brown is 85th and Emory, Dartmouth, Notre Dame and other top privates are not ranked in the top 100. </p>
<p>It appears that neither of these rankings give any weight to measurements of the quality of the student body nor to nearly all of the Graduation/Retention, Faculty Resources and Financial Resources measurements that are useful for evaluating the quality of an undergraduate experience.</p>
<p>There you go atnyu. Owned.</p>