Way to go, SCOTUS!

Literally snorted at this.

That reminds me, every time I see a comment talking about how same sex couples can’t have kids, I’ve started commenting with non-religious adoption agencies. Unfortunately, I post just the link without context and I think it flies right over the head of my intended audience. Ah well.

(Note: non-religious because in Michigan it is now legal, as of a few weeks ago, for religious adoption agencies to deny children to same-sex couples. I know darn well that not every religious agency would do so but I don’t know which would and which wouldn’t so I take the safe route.)

The new rules were specifically aimed at “protecting” the adoption agencies if SCOTUS ruled as it did. Personally, I’d prefer that we protect the children by placing them in a loving home … even a home with two moms or two dads (gasp), if it means getting them out of foster care.

I guess this illogical idea comes from the fantasy that gays “recruit” unsuspecting straights, taking them out of the biological-reproduction pool. I haven’t heard that one for years and years.

Good point, @kelsmom. I do wonder.

The family that Mr. Romani used to work for is two moms who have- I think- 4 special needs foster children. Another child is adopted by one of the moms. I know they’re planning on applying for adoption ASAP after they get married. I’m not sure of details because the info gets to me through at least 2 different people lol.

I know a lot of gay men and lesbian women who have biological children. The argument that they can’t have kids is ludicrous.

My neighbor has 2 gay BILs. One has been living with AIDS for years and years. The other is a father twice over - he helped out a lesbian couple who were good friends. Their mom is strict Missouri Synod Lutheran and didn’t accept the boys for years but the grandkids won the day over. Now their bio mom even takes the girls to visit grandma without dad. I’m not sure how she’s doing with the whole gay thing, but she chooses to ignore it for the sake of more grandbabies. I was at a BBQ with all of them and it truly blew my mind. (6 kids in the family so 1/3 gay)

Don’t you foolish people realize that the birth rate will plummet because there’s a limited number of marriages that can take place every year, so that every same-sex marriage means that one less straight couple can get married and have children?

And, of course, birth can’t happen without marriage :wink:

Agreed @romanigypsyeyes.

Maybe it will plummet because fewer gay people will try to play it straight by marrying unsuspecting heterosexuals and have kids before jumping ship for the siren song of the gay lifestyle. Now all those heterosexual women will just have to marry straight men and hire decorators.

Yeah, I just love the obsession about gays not being able to ‘make kids’ and how that justifies them not being able to get married, it is more like religious obsession with the birth canal or something…what is even worse is the pro life nitwits are always talking about adoption as an answer, ever dawn on them that gay couples might be a great supply of loving adoptive parents (which gay and lesbian couples often are). They obsess about a child being the biological product of the man and woman in a marriage, but how many straight couples adopt, or do things like surrogate mothering , sperm and or egg donors? I guess the numb nuts never figured out that when it comes to children, what matters a lot more than biology is having loving parents.

Clarence Thomas is absolutely a gigantic hypocrite, he is married to a white woman in virginia, the state who was the defendant in the Loving decision. So what did he base his dissent on? That no one by banning same sex marriage was depriving gays of their dignity or their liberty, that they could travel anywhere they wanted, live where they wanted, that no one was depriving them of their liberty by denying them a benefit (more on that a bit). Worse, he then went on to say get this, that legalized slavery did not take away the dignity or the humanity of the slaves…wth? The law reduced slaves to being property, and as such was taking away their fundamental humanity and the right to be treated as a person, not a thing…does he really think that? Not to mention that the kind of dignity he is talking about is self dignity, there is also something else, societal dignity, where people deserve the right to be treated with dignity that should be afforded to every other human being. When he then goes on to say Loving was a different story because race is not the same thing as being gay, he really goes off the rails. My response to him would be if all marriage was is a simple benefit, then how about tomorrow we overturn Loving and invalidate his marriage? Would his response be “gee, I just lost a tax benefit” or would he feel like someone had just kicked him in the you know what’s, told him that his relationship with his wife was bogus?

All 4 dissents are quite honestly some of the most shameful legal writing I have read, it isn’t legal writing, it is a school yard war of words…Alito is taunting Kennedy, saying “nah nah your old man was an idiot”, Roberts is "girls are icky, cause if you kiss a girl then you get cooties’, Alito dissent is “you suck, you told the teacher I called you a nerd, and now I have to serve detention, it isn’t fair that I can’t call you names” and Thomas is basically “so what I stole your lunch money, you didn’t need it anyway”. I hear a lot of conservatives ask why the term among many people has come to mean those who have made a political position out of being stupid and mean (and before anyone jumps on me I am saying that, I am not, there are conservative thinkers I respect though I disagree with them, and I would not lump them in with the idiot right), and all I can say is the 4 dissents are proof positive why people believe that, rewrite the dissents to maybe a 6th grade level of speech, and it would fit right in on talk radio.

Seven billion people on the naked planet, I don’t think we’re on the brink of extinction if some gays aren’t popping out 19 kids.

Still awaiting gods wrath to rain down on us, however ;).

Hoping it will hold off until after the church picnic tomorrow.

Disagree. They’re already written at the 6th grade level of speech, or at least Scalia’s is. “Ask the nearest hippie.” “Hide my head in a bag.” “Fortune cookie.” “California does not count [as a Western state].” “No social transformation without representation.” “This Court’s threat to American democracy.” “Today’s decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court.”

This kind of stuff is bread and butter over at Scalia’s favorite “news” channel, and I think the viewers are fully capable of understanding it.

Wait… did it seriously say “ask the nearest hippie”? I thought that was a joke…

If true, I’ve never been more proud to be often referred to as a hippie :slight_smile:

Oh yes, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia actually wrote this in one of the most closely watched cases in years:

Now there’s some scholarly legal writing!

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/06/scalia-dissent-gay-marriage-ruling-2015

And I didn’t know this: He actually used the word “putsch” to describe the majority opinion. Just… wow.

Here is a list of relevant SCOTUS decisions:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/a-brief-history-of-gay-rights-at-the-supreme-court/

I’m wondering if college guys will start using that “constitutional freedom of intimacy” line now. That could really open up a can of worms and possibly a new legal defense.

This sobering piece shows that Scalia and the other dissenters are worse than poor jurists and ridiculously out of touch and lacking in empathy (which they certainly are). They are actually dangerous:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/27/did-dissenting-justices-suggest-treason.html

Yes, apart from the result, on a narrow 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court is looking pretty stupid. Surely the opinions are drafted by clerks, and the clerks couldn’t write such nonsense, at least on a first draft. The justices must look at the draft opinions and say, nope that isn’t crazy enough, brainstorm and come up with more stuff that people will laugh at for a thousand years to come.

The dissents are all argle bargle. :wink: