<p>Yeah FSU-UF, reading, writing, and math are only around to oppress minorities.</p>
<p>OMG</p>
<p>okay, hate me for this, but I agree w/ Fsu-uf.</p>
<p>i mean, i’m not saying it’s UNFAIR to minorities, I think it’s a little unbalanced.</p>
<p>3 sections. (btw, the old SAT was perfect in my opinion, no need for a stupid 3rd section)</p>
<p>1 section of math
2 sections of verbal</p>
<p>verbal = having a good grasp of the english language and it’s subtleties</p>
<p>minorities = english is second language… meaning both of those sections are harder… however, usually made up for by an outstanding math score.</p>
<p>someone who is very good in english (most likely white) will probably do better in BOTH the CR and W sections than a minority student of the same caliber.</p>
<p>i’m an Indian… born in India… English is really my second language, but I feel most comfortable w/ it, so it’s not THAT big of a deal towards my case.</p>
<p>I got 800 M 650 CR 690 W –> latest test I took –> 2140.
my best composite is a 2160 (670 CR)</p>
<p>i’m not re-taking again b/c I doubt I can get over a 700 on the CR or W (10 essay, which i’m quite happy with)</p>
<p>but I dominated math both times I took it (780 first, 800 second)</p>
<p>therefore, I’m very good at math, not so good at verbal</p>
<p>assume that I round up my scores a little bit –> 800M 700CR 700W</p>
<p>that’s a 2200.</p>
<p>now take a white person (who is the same intelligence and caliber as me, except he is better at verbal and not as good at math)
assume he gets</p>
<p>700M 800CR 800W –> 2300</p>
<p>because I am better at math and worse at verbal, I (as a minority) scored 100 points less than the white guy of the same score as me.</p>
<p>that’s why I liked the 2-section SAT –> it was balanced. We would’ve both got 1500s w/ the same scores.</p>
<p>btw Brown, most people believe correlation to be = to causation. just b/c your in AP Stats (or some other statistical analysis course) doesn’t allow you to arbritrarily give out ‘stupid post of the day’ awards.</p>
<p>magic monkey –> the SAT isn’t MEANT to ‘oppress’ minorities, but b/c of it’s lack of balance between math and verbal sections, it is slightly unfair.</p>
<p>So just because you’re a minority who happens to have english as a second language, then the CR and W sections are unfair? Heck, there are too many indians (to use your example) who are outstanding writers/speakers for you to make such a generalization.</p>
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<p>Uh, easily? He gives everyone the same diagnosis, regardless of what is said or argued. We didn’t have to shop around, if that’s what you’re trying to imply. </p>
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<p>Definitely. Impoverished non-minorities don’t get ANY advantages in the college admissions process. They don’t even have an even playing field. Minorities can score lower on SATs, impoverished or no, because they have AA. Rich people can afford tutoring, and generally give their kids better overall education. Who the HELL are you to deny a poor kid an hour or two extra on the SAT? Who the HELL cares what method was taken to achieve that extra time?</p>
<p>You people who pretend to be so damn moral make me sick, I’d bet 75% of the people on here would take advantage of such a situation if an opportunity to do so was presented to them. They just don’t have the intestinal fortitude to admit and, instead, use reaction formation to shield themselves from the realization that they are the very thing they purport to hate.</p>
<p>You are kidding me, right? You’re gaming the system and pretending it’s okay. Moreover, you’re trying to convince me that you are evening out the playing field. I myself am white, live in the Bronx (a poor borough of NYC), and am of lower class. I DON’T think AA is fair and I DON’T think the legacy advantage is fair, but what you did is clearly unfair as well. </p>
<p>I would NEVER do such a thing. </p>
<p>By the way, my friend, also white and poor, scored 2250 without faking a disability.</p>
<p>My point was that those who abuse the learning disability thing are mostly rich kids whose parents managed to bribe off a psychologist to give them that diagnosis.</p>
<p>^ so true.</p>
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Doesn’t mean you can copy a hypocrite. It doesn’t make it right for yourself, just because others are doing it.</p>
<p>I would not have done the thing even though I could afford it. It is a waste of money just for some extra time. And I did not hire a tutor. Just read through the blue book. I realize my score is not exactly a top score, but it is not bad. 2390.</p>
<p>Besides URM get all the breaks. Sure there are not many Mexicans in Harvard. So what? Why the hell should a filthy rich Mexican boy who scores a 2200 and has a 4.3 weighted gpa and no ECs be chosen over a dirt poor Chinese boy who scores a 2400 and has a 4.5 gpa and works during all of his free time to support his family. AA is just a load of bull. (This is really happened at my school)</p>
<p>^ 2390 is not exactly a top score? what exactly is? Did you make a typo?</p>
<p>Sorry, I just couldn’t resist.</p>
<p>“Yeah FSU-UF, reading, writing, and math are only around to oppress minorities.”</p>
<p>actually let me retract my statement, to those who english is there scond language the SAT is unfair, especially if english was learned around the age of 10.</p>
<p>hahahahahha @ the guy who said his 2390 wasn’t a top score</p>
<p>I would do it Im not going to lie.</p>
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<p>all i’m saying, is keep the math and verbal sectoins balanced, b/c believe it or not, for most minorities who have english as a second language, math is easier than either critical reading OR writing. that’s why my main point to my first post was to keep the math and verbal sections balanced in some way. either 1 of each, or verbal and CR are both out of only 400, or 2 of each (that would suck actually) or somethin along those lines, i’m not sure exactly.</p>
<p>Also, what you said about too many indians that are outstanding writers/speakers?</p>
<p>um… 2 things.
- speaking = doesn’t help w/ **** on the SAT.
- indians = outstanding writers in ENGLISH? um… ********. not to diss my own race, but an Indian who authored a book got caught plagarizing in it… I don’t think that Indians are GENERALLY great Critical Readers or writers (although I’m SURE there are a few that are!)</p>
<p>OK,i’m gonna pull out some good ole personal integrity…anybody that fakes a disability has cheated. I don’t know about you and your morals but, I refuse to accept, particpate, or applaude any effort toward cheating… IT doesn’t matter how f’ed the system is because now you’re just like it… now you’re bunked, you’re “unfair” too.</p>
<p>Basically, any claim saying it’s alright because the systems screwed or the system made me do it it just like(hypothetically): I have a class where the teacher hates me; won’t even answer some of my questions, sends me to the office to get a detention when i’m knocking on the door as the bell rings, takes points off for drawing on my paper, tells me “this isn’t good enough” as she hands back my papers, won’t let me go to the bathroom even though she just let 6 people go get water…and my finals coming I tried to study but didn’t have time; i’m sitting in class about to take the final I know i won’t get enough points for a B by myself… the person in front me is writing really large with their paper easily in my view… they have the highest grade in the class… should I cheat off their paper?</p>
<p>I pretty much agree with kfrizzle. just becuase you don’t like the system is not a reason to cheat. It’s better to get something in spite of the system than to get it through cheating the system.</p>
<p>Well, here’s the way I see it. People use their wealth and their dirty, mean, underhanded brains to get ahead all the time in this cruel world of ours. The good news? Life isn’t about what college you get into. It actually isn’t even about cheating the system. In the end life is about the people who make the system. If you are bright and passionate and honest you’ve got as good a shot as the cheater in the other corner, even if he stole your Ivy League admission from you. I read an article in the paper about white kids in South Africa basically getting their asses handed to them by what passes for affirmitive action over there. Amazingly a lot of these are not moving to Australia or even whining. I guess they’ve realized that in life everybody gets their turn to be cheated. Fight the good fight and you’ll end up in a place you’re proud to be in.</p>
<p>^ My sentiments exactly. Brava.</p>