Western Michigan or U of Michigan?

<p>Though cost should be taken into account, UM isn't that expensive for the OP, so I'd have to agree with the other posters that Michigan is the far better choice. </p>

<p>Michigan is an internationally recognized school. WMU is a fairly regional university. Unless finances are a major, major issue (which isn't the case for the OP) go to Michigan.</p>

<p>Once again, Coolbrezze, your deep dislike for Michigan is disturbing. Michigan State engineering for graduate school!? Everyone who has followed your position on this forum in the past year know that you are deliberately defaming Michigan because it rejected you. You will recommend any non-U-M school often for nutty reasons. As a result, people don't take your posts seriously because you have lost all credibility. </p>

<p>Many people on this forum have received rejection letters, but most do not become extremely bitter like you. They move on with their lives; I suggest you do the same. The worst thing you can do is mislead people because of your grudges.</p>

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Many people on this forum have received rejection letters, but most do not become extremely bitter like you. They move on with their lives; I suggest you do the same. The worst thing you can do is mislead people because of what happened to you.

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Refer to my above post, I am simply helping others with my own personal knowledge, whether it's base on UMich, MSU, or not. This is college confidential.</p>

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Though cost should be taken into account, UM isn't that expensive for the OP, so I'd have to agree with the other posters that Michigan is the better choice.

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There are many students who are paying 22k for an education but for some it because they had no other choice. I just read staffronblue post again and notice the desired majors. I would note that University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign is one of the worlds best schools to study engineering so if you were accepted and could possibly get COA in your range then definately consider the school. Good luck.</p>

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Coolbreeze Why will he pay OOS for Illinois when Michigan is instate?

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I stated if they can get COA affordable it would be a excellent choice and one not to regret.</p>

<p>Coolbreeze Why will he pay OOS for Illinois when Michigan is instate?</p>

<p>No offense Coolbreeze, but I can see why other posters are criticizing you... you do have an anything-but-UMich attitude.</p>

<p>coolbrezze I know you are only 18, but it's time to grow up kid. In all honesty, if you don't improve dramatically with your language and writing skills, I could easily see you becoming a "bagger" at your neighborhood local supermarket.</p>

<p>michigan by far. i am from michigan, and a lot of people i know like WMU, but these are people who couldnt get into msu or um. its alright if you just arent cut out for um or msu, but otherwise no. its nickname is wastern (wasted+western), and its pretty much seen as a party school and that most people go there just to go to college. also kalomazoo isnt anything great.
someone said it was one of the best colleges in michigan, but i would only say that if by the best you mean the top 10.</p>

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Coolbrezze, what is your problem? It is well-known on this forum that you have a grammar and writing problem. Sometimes, your posts are so painful to read that I stop after several attempts. The fact that you won't admit your mistakes is silly and troublesome. You need to address your weaknesses before they start to haunt you in the end.

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coolbrezze I know you are only 18, but it's time to grow up kid. In all honesty, if you don't improve dramatically with your language and writing skills, I could easily see you becoming a "bagger" at your neighborhood local supermarket.

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rjkofnovi and tenisghs seriously? We are ONLINE and your trying to talk about grammer, this is laughable; and reading even more of your comment please do not post under a thread simply to show that you know nothing. As you proven that you can not stay well mannered keep your thoughts towards staffronblue question. Good luck.</p>

<p>Coolbrezze, what is your problem? It is well-known on this forum that you have a grammar and writing problem. Sometimes, your posts are so painful to read that I stop after several attempts. The fact that you won't admit your mistakes is silly and troublesome. You need to address your weaknesses before they start to haunt you in the end.</p>

<p>^^^^Please coolbrezze, for your own sake and the sanity of the professors at Iowa, take an English proficiency class this summer. You'll end up thanking me in the future when you painfully reread your old posts here at CC.</p>

<p>"We are ONLINE and your trying to talk about grammer, this is laughable; and reading even more of your comment please do not post under a thread simply to show that you know nothing. As you proven that you can not stay well mannered keep your thoughts towards staffronblue question. Good luck."</p>

<p>^^^^Now who could argue with that?</p>

<p>Thanks for the further discussion, guys. I'm pretty much dead set on U of M though so I can fulfill one of my biggest goals. </p>

<p>I'd be interested to hear more on what employers come to U of M and what exactly they look for when hiring.
Any general tips are also welcomed.</p>

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If you have decided on UMich then I think it's best for you to open a thread under the UMich forum as it will be more suited there. You may also get more answers. Good day (adieu).</p>

<p>"Coolbreeze and Pierre (I don't know his full name, but the guy from Clemson) have long established themselves on these boards to give or argue about the most absurd ideas about colleges. Don't listen to any of them. "</p>

<p>What complaints do you have about me? Sure I'm Clemson-biased but I don't think that's the problem here.</p>

<p>Anyways, Michigan is the no question answer here. WMU doesn't even come close to having a somewhat reputable engineering program. If it was between Michigan and MSU, there might be a debate but not with WMU.</p>

<p>Poor Pierre! Hehe! What has he done? If anything, he is very reasonable.</p>

<p>Saffronblue, for Engineering, Michigan over Western is the right decision, ASSUMING the $60,000 price difference isn't going to be bridged by taking out a loan and getting into debt. If you have to get into major debt, it is simply not worth it.</p>

<p>This said, if you can maintain a good GPA (over 3.4), major companies like Google, Intel and NVIDIA will recruit you on campus. Google, Intel and Microsoft have been very active recruiters on campus for years now. By AMD, do you mean Advanced Micro Devices? If so, they recruit on campus as well. I am not sure about ATI. As others have said, there are no certainties in life, but the odds of landing such a job at the University of Michigan are better than the odds of landing such a job at Western. </p>

<p>You may find this link interesting.</p>

<p><a href="http://career.engin.umich.edu/annualReport/Annual_Report0809.pdfEngineeringCareerResourceCenterAnnualReport2008-2009%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://career.engin.umich.edu/annualReport/Annual_Report0809.pdfEngineeringCareerResourceCenterAnnualReport2008-2009&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Getting back to your question on getting hired by top tech companies in the Bay Area.</p>

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<li><p>Basic Hygiene stuff : the better your grades, relationships with profs. who can recommend you, experience on hands-on projects, the more attractive a candidate you will be regardless of where you study.</p></li>
<li><p>Internships are very important : Your goal should be to land a relevant internship position during your junior year summer. If you can get a shot at a company in the Bay Area that's great but a local company would also do fine - a research position with a prof. at UM is also a great option during a summer. If you can establish a relationship with a prof. that will go a long way - most of them have deep relationships with companies in the valley.</p></li>
<li><p>GPA question : Whether one likes it or not GPA tends to be a critical filtering step for companies particularly when they are looking at undergrads. with very little research/project experience. U-Mich is tough school when it comes to grading - not much grade inflation say compared to U-Illinois - we typically assume a 3.3 U-Mich is equiv to a 3.5 at Illinois. That by the way is our threshold. Once you get into in the interviewing cycle, your innate technical skills and your ability to communicate and being perceived as a team player are critical. Remember that a 3 Ghz CPU with a 100 Mhz I/O will usually functional like a 100 Mhz CPU - your ability to communicate your thoughts and ideas are critical. In that context Alexandre's point of developing interpersonal life skills while living in a dorm during your freshman year are very relevant.</p></li>
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<p>Good Luck</p>

<p>^cut it with the sarcasm Alexandre. At least I actually try and help people out instead of arguing over statistics like the US News PA rating. Anyways, maybe it's time I spend less time on this site :)</p>

<p>^^^Alexandre was defending you pierre0913. Not sure where you saw sarcasm in his words.</p>

<p>haha ok maybe I was reading too much with the "hehe" and the "if anything, he is very reasonable" part.</p>

<p>Thanks for the encouragement pierre.</p>

<p>And thanks for much for the extensive info, Alexander and dadmm85!</p>