<p>This whole thread is just:</p>
<p>Person 1: A,B,C,D,E
Person 2: No!! B is better than A and D is better than C! Ranking: B, A, D, C, E
Person 3: E, C, B, D, A
Person 4: D, C, B, E, A</p>
<p>Conclusion: For the sake of undergraduates, all the top public schools are pretty much the same (quality wise). Everyone is clearly “splitting hairs”. If you’re a grad student, then you know the reputation of your specific department so these overall statistics are pointless.</p>
<p>Wrong, arcade. There is consensus for the top public. ;)</p>
<p>“Wrong, arcade. There is consensus for the top public.”</p>
<p>Indeed, UCBChemEGrad!! And everyone knows what my picks are!! lol</p>
<p>On another subject:</p>
<p>I’ve been planning for a long time for announcing my leave of absence!! (win or lose THE GAME, today is the day) It’s been an honor and certainly privilege to be able to interact with many of you over the years (I mean it!!). Undoubtedly, I’ve learned a great deal about Colleges in general. Thank You!! In addition, I am also extremely grateful for your tolerance and indulgence towards my child-like behavior from time to time which offended a few members either intentional or unintentionally. In short, I must now obey the Lord’s plan for me which has been to further my career as a physician and stay focus.</p>
<p>So, will I ever return to CC since it’s a leave of absence?
Ans: I think so, but only if Ohio State breaks into the Top-50 on USNWR!! This could mean 10 months, a few years or never as some members had stated. But I firmly believe that it will happen in the foreseeable future. </p>
<p>Last but not least, May God Bless All of You & Happy Holidays!! ^o^v</p>
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<li>Sparkeye7 :)</li>
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<p>P.S. Sorry for going-off the subject!! Please carry-on the discussion!!!</p>
<p>“So, will I ever return to CC since it’s a leave of absence?
Ans: I think so, but only if Ohio State breaks into the Top-50 on USNWR!!”</p>
<p>Awww Sparkeye7 I will miss NEVER speaking to you again. 
lol. You were always a tireless supporter for your universities and also a good sport. Best of luck to you! :-)</p>
<p>Best wishes, Sparkeye! Good luck in your future endeavours!</p>
<p>P.S. You’ve announced your retirement from this site not too long in the past. You’ll be back sooner than you think. ;)</p>
<p>Great to spend some time with you Sparkeye. Keep up hope. TOSU might go the path of USC and jump in rankings year by year lol.</p>
<p>Gawd, that UCLA blue keeps getting darker and darker…</p>
<p>Heh, Berkeley Blue, i mean Yale Blue, stays pretty consistent doesn’t it? :D</p>
<p>Touche beyphy. ;-)</p>
<p>Here’s another ranking to throw at you. According to the NY Times, “hundreds of chief executives from leading companies in 10 countries were asked to select the top universities [in the world] from which they recruited.”</p>
<p>[Top</a> Recruited Schools in the World](<a href=“Education - Image - NYTimes.com”>Education - Image - NYTimes.com)</p>
<p>Here are the public American schools:</p>
<h1>11: UCLA</h1>
<h1>30: UC Berkeley</h1>
<h1>36: UNC</h1>
<h1>37: UVa</h1>
<h1>39: Michigan State</h1>
<h1>52: UMich</h1>
<h1>58: Texas A&M</h1>
<h1>62: ASU</h1>
<h1>69: OSU</h1>
<h1>75: Penn State</h1>
<h1>78: UT Austin</h1>
<h1>93: UWashington</h1>
<h1>99: UC San Diego</h1>
<h1>101: Minnesota</h1>
<h1>104: UWisconsin</h1>
<h1>106: UFlorida</h1>
<p>"binghamton, rutgers, stony brook, hunter "</p>
<p>None of these are good schools. Go public if you can’t get into or can’t afford a good school.</p>
<p>Informative, SUNYs are typically good, as is Rutgers. Those universities are obviously not great, but they are good.</p>
<p>Only on this board would anyone say Suny’s or Rutger are considered “good”. LOL.</p>
<p>Sparkeye, good luck in your future endeavors! Maybe we’ll see you back here sooner than you think ;)</p>
<p>informative, as an economist, any university that is good enough for Milton Friedman is good enough for me. Rutgers has top rated departments in the following fields:</p>
<p>Computer Science: #28</p>
<p>English: #17</p>
<p>History: #20</p>
<p>Mathematics: #20</p>
<p>Physics: #26</p>
<p>Additionally, Rutgers has a highly regarded Philosophy department, often ranked among the top 3 in the nation.</p>
<p>Like I said, it is not a great university, but it is good.</p>
<p>If Rutgers is a good school, what’s a bad school then? It’s a severely underfunded public whose students are all rejects of the top public and private schools.</p>
<p>Who cares if the students were rejects of top universities? A university’s quality and reputation is entirely determined by the strength of its faculty, resources and alums. Rutgers has a strong faculty and solid alums. As you point out, it is lacking in the resources department, but it is otherwise good.</p>
<p>By the way, Rutgers (which was founded back in 1766 and has a rich history) is as selective as Indiana University or the University of Washington, both of which are considered academic powerhourses. </p>
<p>At any rate, how can a university that is rated among the top 100 in the US be bad? Does that mean that of the 2,000+ universities, 95% of them are bad? Rutgers is generally rated as highly as schools such as Purdue, Minnesota-Twin Cities, Michigan State, Indiana-Bloomington, American etc…None of those universities are “bad”.</p>
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<p>That’s mainly due to its size though. Rutgers doesn’t really have any philosophical superstars. Cuny is ranked way lower than Rutgers for example (13) but has the most important philosopher alive right now, Saul Kripke. </p>
<p>With the exception of Kripke, who used to teach at Princeton, people who are huge in the field teach at very prestigious universities. For example, David Kaplan and Tyler Burge (UCLA) Hilary Putnam and Thomas Scanlon (Harvard) Timothy Williamson (Oxford) Paul Guyer (Penn/Brown) and Harry Franktfurt (princeton) </p>
<p>Many of the big names are actually at NYU right now. That’s where you’ll find Ned Block, Thomas Nagel, Crispin Wright, and Kit Fine. </p>
<p>The only person i even think i’ve heard of in Rutger’s phil department is Jerry Fodor. I’m pretty sure i heard his name mentioned sometime this quarter too (possibly yesterday). But nearly everyone else i’ve listed, i’ve read their work directly. (with the exceptions of Ned Block and Crispin Wright) </p>
<p>While it’s possible that i just could have missed a vast majority of the Rutgers scholars, UCLA specializes in Phil. Of Lang., so i’m sure if they were superstars i would have read their work. (although i should note that UCLA hasn’t really be hiring in the phil department, but when it has hired, the last two hires were from Rutgers lol.)</p>
<p>What’s a bad school? How about Radford U or Chicago State. Rutgers is a good school with pretty rough classes. It has very good depts in life sciences and hard sciences. Most are at least Top 100 which is still very good. There are over 3000 4- year colleges. Nothing bad about being in the Top 70. When they get their med school back their rep will further improve as that brings in much $$$$ for research. RU gets more state $$ than UM or UVa.</p>
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How do you classify “alums” in all of this?</p>
<p><a href=“http://oirap.rutgers.edu/instchar/Cds/UniversityWide09.pdf[/url]”>http://oirap.rutgers.edu/instchar/Cds/UniversityWide09.pdf</a></p>
<p>Over a quarter of Rutgers doesn’t even graduate in 6 years and their SAT ranges for Math, Critical Reading and Writing are 550-670, 520-630 and 520-640. Only a small fraction of Rutgers managed to score over a 2000 on the SAT. Coupled with its $600 Million endowment for its 56,000 students and you’re talking about incredibly low levels of institutional support. This is a bad university. If I was a faculty member there in the Philosophy department, I would transfer to UCLA so as to be associated with a more reputable university.</p>
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You assume there is a normal distribution for the reputation of American universities.</p>
<p>Here is how the social, corporate and academic elite classify “prestige”:</p>
<p>Excellent: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT and Caltech</p>
<p>Very Good: Dartmouth, Brown, Penn, Cornell, Duke, Chicago, Columbia, Johns Hopkins and Northwestern</p>
<p>Good: the rest of the USNWR top 30 and NYU</p>
<p>Mediocre: the rest of the USNWR top 50</p>
<p>Bad: the rest of the USNWR top 100</p>
<p>Outside of the USNWR top 100, you might as well not go to college and get a vocational degree instead in this economy.</p>