What colleges are super liberal, artistic, social justice focused and not preppy?

@TurnerT
I apologize if my wording was incorrect. From where I’ve grown up “Preppy” is not a style of dress. Preppy is a term to describe very conservative people who are often of high economic status. I don’t mean to stereotype the general population of where I grew up, but the people who I would describe as “preppy” are very wealthy and rather oblivious to any kind of real struggle people face. In my school and community, people are (for the most part, but not all) not interested in current issues or humanitarian advocacy. I live in a small town, and therefore I’m surrounded by a small and conservative frame of mind. I just want to try and find more people like me.

@Erin’sDad Vassar Actually just went smoke free as of 2015

Thank you all so much for these replies~ they’re very helpful in my quest to find the perfect school in case I don’t get into Vassar

preppy ≠ conservative

Semantics.

But more importantly, for those of you pestering the OP about his or her preferences, do you jump into threads by athletes and recommend they go to Evergreen or Hampshire to “get out of their comfort zones” and “challenge themselves”? When kids ask about great Greek systems do you tell them to go to schools without frats and sororities? When kids ask about engineering programs do you say, “no, no–take poetry and philosophy”? When kids ask for beautiful campuses to you feel the urge to leap into the fray and tell them they’re making a grave mistake by not pursuing only commuter schools in urban wastelands?

Because the sniping in this thread strikes me as political axe-grinding more than anything.

Pitzer

Eckerd College in St. Petersburg College may be a choice for you to look at. I will copy a brief introduction from the website below. I have 2 children who graduated from Eckerd and you can PM me if you have any questions: Welcome to Eckerd College

This is a special place — and not just because of our spectacular mile-long waterfront on Florida’s Gulf Coast. We firmly believe that a liberal arts education is the best preparation for taking on the world. At Eckerd College, we are shaped by certain values — residential, global, spiritual, environmental and personal — that engender thought-provoking, imaginative, compassionate action. We guide our students on a four-year journey of discovery, with small classes, professor-mentors and a commitment to community service. Eckerd College President Donald R. Eastman III tells new students that their success is best measured by the contributions they will make to build a better world. Read more of his thoughts.

I second (or third) Earlham for social justice, Quaker values (thought most students are not Quaker), superliberal, and - internationally diverse. My only question would be about the artsy. But it and Antioch are fairly close for a concurrent visit.

Here is a North East WASP’s guide to liberal college culture (NESCAC & Ivy)

Tufts-
Founded by Universalists (who were probably the most liberal branch of the Protestant faith).

Harvard-
Founded by Puritan/Calvinist/Congregationalists, but taken over by the more liberal Unitarians. Yale was then spawned to preserve the more conservative theology. This is why the Harvard/Yale rivalry is best understood as a religious war.

Unitarians were more from the aristocratic class and Universalists were more from the working class. Over time, the Unitarians became more liberal and the Universalists began to run out of money, so the two churches merged in the 60’s and the Universalist seminary at Tufts was closed. After the merger of churches, rumors were circulating that Harvard Business School was planning a hostile takeover of Tufts. The takeover rumors ended (and the endowment started to grow) when Tufts agreed to appoint a Harvard nutritionist as President in the late 70’s.

Bates-
Founded by Free Will Baptists who were one of the more liberal theologies

Brown-
Founded primarily by New England Baptists with a trace of Free Will in the lineage.

Rodger Williams was banished from the Mass Bay Colony by the Puritans for his liberal beliefs, sought refuge with the Separatists in Plymouth, then settled in Rhode Island. Rhode Island was also friendly to the Quakers who were banished from the Mass Bay Colony by the Puritans. If you are getting the idea that the Puritans were not the most friendly and inclusive group, then that would probably be correct. The original board of Brown consisted of mostly Baptists, a few Quakers, but also a few Congregationalists and members of the Church Of England that were more conservative.

Wesleyan-
Founded by Methodists who were one of the more liberal theologies.

Methodists tend to be wealthier than Baptists but less wealthy than the Unitarians who were wealthy enough help support the Universalists. :slight_smile:

My D once looked into these three schools, that all had a requirement for service learning to graduate:

Wittenberg - Springfield OH
Hamline U - St Paul MN
U of Wisconsin- Eau Claire

Of the three, I was most impressed with some things that Wittenberg students were doing in their community, including going to local area prisons and taking a class along with the prisoners…
But all three require volunteering/service learning to graduate.

(The first two schools are not that selective, apparently, most likely safeties for you, FYI.)

@merc81 An interesting idea for a metric. But all not all economists are “bad”. There are about 80 sub-fields within Economics.

Checking the Ideas database for research in “Environmental Economics” (i.e. the “good” ones) yields some interesting results. The following schools ( most of which do not have Economics Phd programs) are among the top 10% of institutions (which includes banks, government entities and think tanks as well as colleges and research universities) world wide.

Rank…School
3…Harvard (large Phd program- unfortunately this is neutralized by a #4 rank in “Financial Markets” Economics)
58…Tufts
126…Clark (very small Phd program)
170…Hamilton
211…Vassar
221…Wesleyan

Unfortunately Brown (which has an Economics Phd program) is unranked for Environmental Economics and ranked #106 for “Financial Markets”.

Among other NESCAC/Ivies:
Dartmouth is unranked for for Environmental Economics and ranked #5 for Financial Markets and Williams is unranked for Environmental Economics and ranked #109 for Financial Markets.

In terms of the 10% metric, I would suggest expanding your concept to the ratio of Econ graduates to Arts graduates and qualitatively factoring in the ratio of “good” economics majors to “bad” economics majors (of course the notion of “good” and “bad” may reverse depending on your ideology).

What you are left with is a spectrum of choices where people can choose their particular comfort zone.

The economists are heavily outnumbered at Hampshire and Marlboro and the artists are heavily outnumbered at Brown, Dartmouth and Harvard. Closer to the middle of the range it looks like it would be a more even match.

School…Econ…Arts
Hampshire…4…100
Marlboro…2…14
Clark…21…40
Vassar…56…73
Wesleyan…60…95
Tufts …141…111
Brandeis…87…56
Williams…70…42
Hamilton…50…28
Bates…53…28
Brown…148…73
Dartmouth 145…49
Harvard…190…50

If you want to look at other schools, here are the sources:

For research rankings:
https://ideas.repec.org/top/top.env.html#authors
https://ideas.repec.org/top/top.fmk.html#authors

For number of graduates per major:
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=brown+university&s=all&id=217156#programs

-I would be a bit wary of Wittenberg. Their endowment isn’t very large and they are trimming programs to balance the budget.

A lot of the economics majors at Tufts are combining it with International Relations, many with the intention of working for NGOs, though surely plenty also go to the dark side!

I’m suprised the ratio at Harvard isn’t worse. I majored in art there man eons ago.

Jamie Dimon was a Psychology/Econ major at Tufts before being converted to the dark side at Harvard Business School. His company (JP Morgan) is known to frequent the Tufts campus attempting to lure others to the dark side.

In relative terms, I guess that he is generally viewed as one of the better “dark-siders”, if there is such a thing :slight_smile:
http://www.ellines.com/en/achievements/740-o-sotiras-tis-wall-street/

@Mastadon: My tentative metric was a bit of a blunt instrument. It was interesting to read through your detailed analysis. Btw, what did you consider to be “arts?” I would think studio art, music, theatre and dance.

That’s exactly right @merc81, the collegenavigator site lumps together “visual and performing arts”, and it includes everything you listed. It also includes film studies, for those schools that offer it (that’s a big component of Wesleyan’s total, for instance). Love that site – one of my favorite resources for gauging the strength/size of various departments at schools.

@rayrick: We could probably add architectural studies to that. Film studies is interesting, because in some ways it structurally resembles literature and art history, both of which I believe are humanities. In most cases, however, film studies probably encompasses film making, a clear visual art.

It all about fit. If OP finds environments that are super-liberal, artistic, non-preppy, etc. to be more comfortable for him/her (I know I would!), then that’s where s/he should concentrate his/her efforts. I went to Georgetown decades ago and, in retrospect, I probably would have been better off elsewhere as I found Georgetown to be too conservative and, yes, too preppy for my taste.

If CA is an option, then, as others have mentioned, Pitzer would certainly fit the bill. Other schools that come to mind, many of which were mentioned early on, include Reed (but there’s a lot of smoking- of many things! - there), Oberlin, Grinnell, Bard, and Sarah Lawrence, among others.

Hampshire

Social justice (or more specifically, “Power, Community, and Social Justice”) is in the distribution requirements. Students are very activist. My son (freshman, who is not really interested in politics) says it is almost too much for him :slight_smile:

Edited to add: you will not see a prepster-looking student anywhere on campus. I am sure there are plenty of student who smoke (BTW they smoke at Yale too); my son lives on a substance free hall with a great group of kids who don’t.

@merc81 - I used the total visual and performing arts category, so it includes majors that focus on the “study of the arts” as well as the “practice of the arts”. This seemed to be consistent with including all economics majors, and the reporting of subcategories within the arts category did not seem to be consistent.

Schools with a larger mix of the “practice of the arts” are probably going to feel more “artsy” than those with a larger mix of the “study of the arts” and schools with more of a focus on fields such as environmental and energy economics are going to feel more liberal than those with more of a focus on financial markets and banking.

In terms of social justice, the following schools have majors in Peace and Justice Studies (Marlboro does not appear to have majors):

Hampshire
Clark
Tufts

As a measure of social action, I added the rankings for Peace Corp participation. I also added Connecticut College (which started out as Wesleyan’s sister school).

School…#Econ#Arts…Peace Corp
Name…Majors…Majors… (Rank)
Hampshire…4…100…133
Marlboro…2…14…2
Clark…21…40…3 (universities)
Vassar…56…73…79
Wesleyan…60…95…60
Conn Coll…52…47…57
Tufts …141…111…4 (universities)
Brandeis…87…56…12 (universities)
Williams…70…42…,…81
Hamilton…50…28…27
Bates…53…28…51
Brown…148…73…38 (universities)
Dartmouth 145…49…40 (universities)
Harvard…190…50…177 (universities)