<p>“I get my talking points from Karl Rove. He comes by my house every day on his way to work and drops them off.”</p>
<p>Thanks. Now I do understand better. Makes sense.</p>
<p>CGM,</p>
<p>It’s logic that makes us say what we say, not GOP talking points. You may not agree with our logic and that’s fine. Frankly, it would be a lot easier if we did get talking points delivered like the daily paper but - and I know you won’t believe this- it’s like herding cats to get conservatives on the same page. Look around and you’ll see conservatives disagreeing even at CC. For instance, I just disagreed with FF and Driver about Pakistan on another thread. </p>
<p>Kluge knows this but he’s trying to be clever. Driver and I responded with humor which makes our responses exceptionally decent.</p>
<p>Karl uses the Rovian Mind Meld on me, but first he calls and tell me to take off my tin foil hat.</p>
<p>You’re welcome, Mini. Feel free to disregard my comments in the future now that you know the “real” source.</p>
<p>Why would I disregard them now that I have a direct line into Karl’s thinking?</p>
<p>Ignore the points of the post, and go after style and format…big suprise</p>
<p>And today, Hastert says he never saw emails…he chose not to look at them…but does he say that in his little press conference…nope</p>
<p>and driver, if you don’t want to remark on the content of the post itself, no need to critisize the writing, but in case you don’t get it, here you go:</p>
<p>I found Kluge’s question valid…
There are GOP/Administration talking point memo’s sent out all the time- to bloggers, to Republican’s, to whomever wiil repeat the party line
I find it curious that when something happens on a Tuesday, on Wednesday, the same words are coming out of Administration supports almost simultaneously, and for that to happen, is to say the least interesting</p>
<p>And yes, there is lots of evidence of “talking point memo’s”</p>
<p>Kluge’s other point, that posters here often deny watching OReilly, etc seem to spout the same phrases, but maybe it is just a coincidence that those in support of the Bush agenda, etc, pretty much walk lock step in how things are phrased, but hey, if people don’t question or have a curiousity, others can’t evade the questions</p>
<p>And as for logic, sorry, don’t much see it…</p>
<p>I see ideologues that think it is rarely Bush’s or Republican’s fault for anything, and that is darn scary, to think that a person is almost infalible and the policies are fine, despite evidence to the contrary</p>
<p>People who blame the messengers and don’t see the message presented as the issue</p>
<p>Question: Did Hastert “know” anything before last week, and if he didn’t was it because he chose to not “know” anything, even though it was presented to him?</p>
<p>I don’t–and have never–denied watching FOX, listening to Rush and other talk radio, reading blogs regularly, etc. So, what’s your (and Kluge the Carp’s) point? Do you think it’s “the blogs” that are pounding you mental midgets here on CC? CGM, you’re lucky my typing can’t keep up with my brain, otherwise you’d all be smoldering heaps.</p>
<p>Seriously, DRJ4 - where did you get the link to stopsexpredators? A blog? An e-mail from some organization? My interest is sincere - I’m curious about how this works. For example, I get e-mails from various Democrat and what I assume are Democrat-related organizations all the time (99% of which I delete without reading.) I assume the same thing is going on on the “Red” side. But I am curious about the details.</p>
<p>Please spare me, Driver - I don’t think I can withstand getting Hit On The Head again with your archly superior explanation of how stupid I am not to realize that the US actually didn’t have a budget surplus in 2000 – a “fact” evidently unknown to pretty much everyone but you. But wait (sense theme of thread coming on) - where did you hear that? C’mon - you can tell us.</p>
<h1>13, Driver’s Request for Giuliani Tutorial:</h1>
<p>Google: Giuliani Scandal; 2nd listing, Touchstone Archives, William J Bennett’s comment (yes, THE Bennett, our former Sec of HEW).</p>
<p>Just make your case, ITM. I know the facts. Kluge, the Congressional Budget Office is not a blog, JFYI.</p>
<p>Kluge,</p>
<p>I’m sorry I wasn’t serious earlier. I really thought you were kidding. I’m not on any GOP mailing or email list and I’ve never given a penny to the GOP in my life except to one local judicial candidate with whom I practiced law. We don’t even check the box on our federal tax return to give $2. I know several GOP politicians, several pretty high up, but none of them do my bidding (darn it).</p>
<p>I learned about stopsexpredators.com from a blog linked via Instapundit (several layers removed). I don’t even remember which one it was because I hadn’t been there before. Since I don’t remember what it was, I don’t know how to get back. I don’t read any GOP blogs nor do I regularly read or listen to Rush or O’Reilly - maybe once a month for each. I do watch Fox News during the day but rarely in the evening. I like to watch/listen to podcasts and selected excerpts from many sources on iTunes and YouTube. I also read government websites, globalsecurity.org, realclearpolitics, and the Wall Street Journal website.</p>
<p>The DRJ story is pretty boring, isn’t it? The funny thing is, I think I’m representative of many 9/11, GOP, Red Staters.</p>
<p>Both the Dems and the Reps try to get their talking points out to the faithful. I, too, have noticed that many of the points being made here reflect the current Rovian spin, but it is easy to get that. It gets reported on a regular basis in mainstream media (Time, Newsweek, NYT) news stories, and 9 times out of 10 is accurately reflected on the Wall St. Journal’s editorial page. Plus publications like the Washington Times and the National Review, guests on Nightline, etc. Not just Bill O’Reilly. So it doesn’t surprise me that you see the same points echoed here, and elsewhere. That’s what good PR work is supposed to accomplish. (And, as I said, the Dems do the same thing, but not quite as well.)</p>
<p>Re: Jon Stewart. My S showed me a news story about some study that tested the current events knowledge of college students whose primary sources of news were one of the three network newscasts, Fox News, the local newspaper, and the Daily Show. The Daily Show viewers won going away. Very sad, but not terribly surprising. </p>
<p>What this will (and should) do is end the Congressional page program. No future Speaker of the House is going to let running a high school where he can’t hire or fire the teachers be part of his job description.</p>
<p>Re: North Korea. The newspaper this morning reported that the Reps were going to try to use the nuclear test to get the public off Foleygate. My question: Wouldn’t it be better if we were responding to this without our military stretched to the limit and 90%+ of the rest of the world viewing us as irresponsible, deceptive warmongers?</p>
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The closest I’ve been to a blog is CC, and any links that are submitted. I’ve never lived in a Red State, but I do watch Fox news sometimes during the day – Fox, CNBC and the Weather Channel. So, I think I’m pretty well tied for the “boring index” with DRJ. Actually, I’d like to read some GOP blogs, if anyone has any suggestions. The rest of my transformation from liberal Democrat to conservative Republican came from my own little old head.</p>
<p>JHS,</p>
<p>Our son is giving a speech on that Daily Show poll for one of his classes in the business school. His professor was excited at the topic and told our son that a doctoral candidate at his college (but not in the business school) is doing his/her thesis on the Daily Show. Isn’t that classic in today’s college world?</p>
<h1>13, 31.</h1>
<p>No case at all, Driver. I am a west coaster and do not hear much about the NYC other than what I request from bro who lives NYC. </p>
<p>Your tone is not welcomed.I am providing a brief history of Giuliani that you requested for the uninformed. If you do not like what you read/hear then don’t request help in researching information for the “uninformed.”</p>
<p>I’m sorry, ITM. I misinterpreted your well-intentioned post as just another spitball. Sometimes I suffer from Custer Syndrome and shoot too fast. My rhetorical question was actually directed to Mini, who likes talking about the Giuliani “scandal” without really addressing it.</p>
<p>Working under six Republican administrations made me a yellow dog democrat and proud of it.</p>
<p>Already have, at length, and in depth, including links to court orders prohibiting his children from visiting while in the company of “the other woman”, the $6.8 milliion settlement, etc. What I didn’t provide was the cost to the taxpayers of providing the trysting location while his 8-year-old was living under the same roof.</p>
<p>But you left out the “thing that wouldn’t leave” part. She was almost a stalker once their relationship ended.</p>