What happens if you are accepted to your ED school, but dont go?

[sybbie719]

<p>Considering that almost all of the ivies now have some sort of low income initiative in place ( Princeton has the no loan policy, harvard considers low income under 80K, Yale and Penn consider low income under 60k, Stanford- 45k-60k, Dartmouth- 30k, brown- sidney frank scholarship, no work study for any freshman students) low income students are now at an advantage to compare packages.</p>

[janesmom1]

<p>Does anyone know what the % is of students receiving pell grants at ivies?</p>

[qwilde]

<p>"Qwilde, I feel your pain. Here is my scenario, my kid has the marks, and a friend whose kid does not have the SAT’s nor the AP’s with high GPA but does have a decent GPA in school with non AP classes (chose not to take them or schools equivalent) and is ranked top 5% (don’t understand this) , has the money. Kid applied to same school but RD, and most likely will get in because their school happens to be a feeder and parents will pay. Now my kid has been accepted there and we are going thru the fin aid stuff and will not be able to pay without incuring huge debt like many middle income family’s. If my D does not attend for fin aid reasons and the other student does (because they can pay), is it fair that the kids goes because of ability to pay. It would stand to reason that since the school boasts about how smart the students are there and how hard it is to get in then, the other kid going would not prove that. I just wish someone would really be honest and say if you are middle class and not willing to pay through the nose like the wealthier folks, then don’t apply!! In my vocabulary, loans do not equal fin aid. </p>

<p>I too am not asking for full rides. I just want to come out without having to go into 80K debt and above."</p>

<p>Thanks, your daughter is fortunate to have a mom that cares, so much about her.</p>

[qwilde]

<p>“Considering that almost all of the ivies now have some sort of low income initiative in place ( Princeton has the no loan policy, harvard considers low income under 80K, Yale and Penn consider low income under 60k, Stanford- 45k-60k, Dartmouth- 30k, brown- sidney frank scholarship, no work study for any freshman students) low income students are now at an advantage to compare packages.”</p>

<p>I have a few friends at Penn and they barely pay anything. Can’t say exactly how much, but they indicated it wasn’t exceedingly expensive (they are slightly better off than me though).</p>

[sybbie719]

<p>jane,</p>

<p>If you go to the parent’s forum and post your question to Mini, I am sure that he can tell you (he tracks all of that).</p>

<p>here is a link to an article from the Journal on Blacks in higher Ed which states: </p>

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The College Board calculates that a Pell Grant covered 35 percent of the total cost of attending a four-year public college or university in 1980. Today the Pell Grant covers slightly more than 23 percent of the total cost of an education at a four-year state college or university. </p>

<p>According to a JBHE analysis of data obtained from the U.S. Department of Education, over the past 20 years only 11 of the nation’s 30 highest-ranked universities have made progress in increasing the percentage of low-income students who are enrolled in their undergraduate programs. The University of California at Berkeley and the University of California at Los Angeles have recorded the biggest gains. In 1983 there were 3,888 students at Berkeley who received a Pell Grant. These low-income students made up 19.7 percent of the student body. By 2004 there were nearly 7,700 Pell Grant recipients at Berkeley. They made up 33.6 percent of the student body. </p>

<p>Similar gains prevail at the University of California at Los Angeles. In 1983 there were 4,385 Pell Grant recipients at UCLA making up 21.5 percent of the student body. In 2004 the 9,278 low-income students at UCLA comprised a whopping 37.2 percent of all undergraduate students. This is the highest level of low-income students among the 30 highest-ranked universities. </p>

<p>Over the 1983 to 2004 period, Brown and Dartmouth were the only Ivy League colleges to post a gain in low-income students. But these gains have been slight. The percentage of low-income students at Brown and Dartmouth is less than one third the level that prevails at UCLA. Harvard has shown a drop in low-income students since 1983. But in recent years Harvard has made impressive progress. In 1998 only 6.4 percent of Harvard undergraduates were from low-income families. Now that Harvard has greatly increased its financial aid to low-income students, the percentage of students receiving Pell Grants at Harvard has nearly doubled to 12.6 percent. </p>

<p>Several universities have posted major declines in low-income students since 1983. At Columbia University in New York City, the number of Pell Grant recipients dropped from 1,425 in 1983 to 1,160 in 2004. This is a decline of nearly 19 percent. At Carnegie Mellon University, Pell Grant recipients dropped from 964 to 685, a decline of almost 30 percent. </p>

<p>At the University of Michigan the number of Pell Grant recipients has been on a roller-coaster ride. In 1983 there were 4,451 students with Pell Grants. This jumped by nearly 40 percent to 6,219 in 1993. But over the next 10 years the number of Pell Grant recipients at the University of Michigan dropped from 6,219 to 3,350, a huge decline of 46.1 percent. </p>

<p>In recent years several of the high-ranking universities — including Harvard, Princeton, the University of Virginia, and the University of North Carolina — have enriched their financial aid plans in an effort to attract more low-income students. The Princeton plan is among the most generous in the nation. At Princeton, students from families with incomes below $50,000 now receive all their financial aid in the form of grants. There are no student loans. </p>

<p>Princeton’s extraordinarily generous financial aid plan has been in effect for six years. Yet, although Princeton has shown improvement in recent years, according to Department of Education Pell Grant data, Princeton still ranks next to last in the percentage of low-income students among the nation’s highest-ranked universities. It appears that a commitment to educate more students from the lower socioeconomic classes of our society requires more than even the most generous financial aid program.</p>

<p>Over the 1983 to 2004 period Smith College posted the largest gain in enrolling low-income students. During the more than two decade period, the percentage of low-income students at Smith rose from 17.4 percent to 25.9 percent. At Mount Holyoke the percentage of low-income students rose from 12.9 percent in 1983 to 20.5 percent in 2004. Wellesley College also posted impressive gains from 11.4 percent in 1983 to 17.0 percent in 2004. The progress made by the 10 other liberal arts colleges that showed improvement was far more modest. </p>

<p>Overall, 17 of the 30 highest-ranked liberal arts colleges showed a decline in low-income students in the 1983 to 2004 period. And several liberal arts colleges posted major declines in low-income students since 1983. At Washington and Lee University the percentage of low-income students dropped almost in half from 8.3 percent to 4.3 percent. At Macalester College in Minnesota the percentage of low-income students decreased from 21.8 percent in 1983 to 12.5 percent in 2004. </p>

<p>The general public is under the impression that the elite liberal arts colleges in the United States consistently turn in an outstanding performance in educating low-income students. And the glossy brochures and other marketing tools these schools offer tend to confirm the belief that huge amounts of scholarship funds assure an economically balanced student body. But as we see from the Pell Grant data, these schools educate for the most part the wealthy and upper-income students. Tuition and comprehensive fees averaging over $40,000 a year tend to confirm this result. </p>

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<p>there are also links to other articles and charts</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.jbhe.com/features/53_pellgrants.html[/url]”>http://www.jbhe.com/features/53_pellgrants.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Tracking the Progress of the Nation’s 30 Highest-Ranked Universities in Educating Low-Income Students Over the Past Two Decades</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.jbhe.com/pdf/Pell1.pdf[/url]”>http://www.jbhe.com/pdf/Pell1.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>A Long-Term View of Enrollments of Low-Income Students At the Nation’s 30 Highest-Ranked Universities
According to the Pell Grant count, except for Brown and Dartmouth, the Ivy League schools
all have fewer low-income students today than they did 11 years ago.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.jbhe.com/pdf/Pell3.pdf[/url]”>http://www.jbhe.com/pdf/Pell3.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>hope this helps</p>

[qwilde]

<p>Yeah, he is in the neo-atheist forum right now.</p>

[gobbahgirl]

How could the school you applied ED to even know of your intention not to attend - unless you tell them! Do you need to submit a deposit earlier than the May 1st deadline at ED schools? Otherwise, how would they know? If not, then won’t all your other acceptances already be in? So there would be no effect at all.

[fizzy110]

@gobbahgirl - this discussion is from 2007 lol

[Matt846]

@gobbahgirl‌

Colleges that accepted you RD can still rescind your acceptance if they haven’t already thrown away your app because you were accepted ED somewhere else.