What happens when rich kids and poor kids become friends at college and beyond?

<p>I think the most important part of that article was the kids’ comfort level with adults in authority–the alumni, the professors. It’s true that most public schools do not encourage such an attitude, and most boarding/prep schools do. </p>

<p>(Many years ago I actually got a job because authority figures don’t scare me, which the CEO (who I interviewed with) considered very important; “you’ll be fine, you won’t let the VPs snow you.” (I will note that the same CEO personally fired me 6 months later when I told him he was wrong about something.) I also–as a member of the faculty–once stood up at a school board meeting and told the superintendent he was wrong. To this day, other teachers tell me they envy me that moment.)</p>

<p>I have a cookbook(autographed) by the mother of the soapwaterer,…</p>

<p>I hope my kid associates with those who are comfortable in their surroundings rather than comfortable in their economic status. And associate with those who are also comfortable in the economic status and likewise comfortable in their surroundings.</p>

<p>I moved overseas so my son could have a free private school education. He had classmates who were millionaires many times over.Funny thing, he is going to college, while they stay home in comfortable surroundings. He has jobs and is studying. Who is luckier? He can’t rub two nickels together yet, but has already started a retirement account. Who is luckier? I don’t know who his friends are at college. They probably all come from families with more cash flow than his. Maybe not. He doesn’t care. It keeps him a bit hungry. That is good. And because he went to a very small school where everyone was important, he has no problem now relating to his professors, the dean of students, the governor of his state. College is the great leveler. I always told him that when he was young. He now is a believer.</p>

<p>marite’s article just brought up to mind this one encounter when i was invited to hang out with this guy whose family is wealthy and whose friends consist of wealthy families, at this hotel, just for a small get to gether. and i remember sitting at a table with my friend(we come from working class/middle class families)and thinking how we’re so different conversation wise(with the wealthy friends). because well at least with my friend and me, our conversations would consists of nonsenses and nothing serious, while these other guys had so much to say and talk about regarding social issues/news, and just in general about travelling and what not, and i just felt loss. but then again that can be with any person who is just well informed.</p>

<p>“Myheartisinohio, isn’t a guy. Well, good luck to you. I’m sure it will work out.”</p>

<p>Actually I am a guy, i just happen to own a few pair of lucky jeans and a pair of diesel’s (although I usually just wear some hollister). Im not really that into fashion its just for appearance.</p>

<p>I’ve noticed an interesting change in my just home from fresh. year son. While in public high school, in our small NC town, he seemed to always want to be the trend setter, have the first “whatever” and these traits concerned me. Especially when he decided on a private school known for its wealthy students (at least that’s what some say). Now he seems to want to be known for not caring about the material trappings, uses coupons, does price comparison shopping and buys his flip flops at Walgreens. Hey, I’m not complaining :slight_smile: !</p>

<p>Hopefull poor kid still remembers poor parents :)</p>

<p>Just kidding :)</p>

<p>From what I gather, alot of this thread has focused on the most obvious indicators of wealth: status symbols, to which the truly affluent pay relatively little attention. They frequently go out of their way to “play down” their wealth. As one friend quipped: “if they won’t shut up about their BMW, it’s because they’re still paying the lease.”</p>

<p>Going to school w. wealthier students allows students from marginalized and low-income backgrounds to observe and absorb the social norms necessary to succeed after graduation. This is not to say that less well-off students have poor manners or are rude or ill-spoken; I have known many students from either background who demonstrated these characteristics. </p>

<p>The professional world is dominated by the norms of upper-middle-class society. This does not mean knowing the difference between Diesels and Sevens; it means knowing the difference between blue and black ink. It does not mean RL cashmere sweaters; sending a thank-you note within a week. They are incredibly subtle things, but it is these subtleties that differentiate the well-mannered from the rubes: regardless of their bank account.</p>

<p>Above all, as long as all parties involved are gracious, open-minded, and considerate, students from both backgrounds stand to learn an awful lot from one another.</p>

<p>Pip-Pip, I keep this clipping on my fridge:’ Etiquette includes ethics as well as manners…Thus Best Society is not a fellowship of the wealthy, nor does it seek to exclude those who are not of exalted birth; but it is an association of gentle-folk, of which good form…and instinctive consideration for the feelings of others are the credentials by which society the world over recognises its chosen members…Anyone could be of Emily Post’s Best Society if only they understood the code. Correctness could be learned, but it rang hollow without kindness"</p>

<p>If you enjoyed the article about “Class Matters” and want to explore these “matters” further, the people who put together these groups are all friends of mine (some for longer than 30 years), and they travel all over the country doing workshops for folks:</p>

<p><a href=“classism.org”>classism.org;

<p>You’ll note that their own backgrounds vary quite widely (from the Standard Oil and Oscar Meyer fortunes) down to folks for whom “modest beginnings” would be an overstatement. The same group of folks, by the way, is being United for a Fair Economy:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.faireconomy.org/[/url]”>http://www.faireconomy.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>And, best for me, some of them are prime supporters of my work with so-called “untouchables” (Dalits) in south India. Class is a global concern.</p>

<p>Mini, thanks for the links.</p>

<p>Mini,
I would like to hear more about your work with the Dalits. Would you be willing to start a thread on that in the cafe?</p>

<p>dke, I completely agree that manners mean nothing without sentiment. The guiding principle behind all etiquette is to make others feel comfortable. However, with regards to practical etiquette–e.g., the sort of things that make a good impression on interviewers and prospective employers–it is merely manners being evaluated, as they act as a barometer of principles and ethics. If a man takes me to dinner and is rude to the server, I won’t care how nice the restaurant is–or, for that matter, whether he opens the door for me.</p>

<p>In short, what I was saying–and not v. well I realized upon re-reading my post–it may be v. helpful for individuals who are lacking in either quality to be around one another. Each stands to learn alot from the other.</p>

<p>“I would like to hear more about your work with the Dalits. Would you be willing to start a thread on that in the cafe?”</p>

<p>I will at some point (and am likely headed back there in August.)</p>

<p>But for some quick links:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.lafti.net%5B/url%5D”>www.lafti.net</a>
shantinik.blogspot.com
<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1567512763/ref=ed_oe_p/103-3003869-5117402?_encoding=UTF8[/url]”>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1567512763/ref=ed_oe_p/103-3003869-5117402?_encoding=UTF8&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>One of them will become a Republican or become a Democrat. If we are lucky both will become Libertarian.</p>

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<p>Agreed … I wonder how much of this also has to do with the times of your college experience. One of the reasons I picked Cornell was during my visit the students seemed laid back and unpretentious … and my experience at Cornell ultimately backed-up that impression. That said I started college in the late 70s and virtually everyone wore jeans and t-shirts all the time … while today clothing has become much more trendy then it was then. The other thing Cornell has going for it is that it is a big school … there certainly were rich snobby kids who only wanted to hangout with other rich kids; even if these were 10% of the undergrads this leaves 9000+ other kids who are not class snobs. I hung out with this 90% and while doing stuff with fellow students people almost always were aware and respectful of the finances of their friends. The one place our backgrounds showed itself was when taking vacations … the rich kids took amazing trips on vacations while I slugged away for pizza money in some crappy job. The kids from more affluent backgrounds also had much-much better connections for jobs … but amongthe Cornellies I knew they were quite willing to share these connections and help their friends find better summer jobs / internships / real jobs. For me my college experience was one of an intellectual meritocracy with other differences among kids not causing issues but broadening experiences for the vast majority of us. I aonly hope my kids have a similar experience.</p>

<p>Had a talk with a friend about this earlier.</p>

<p>At my undergrad, the wealthy students got credit cards or allowances from their parents. They didn’t wear Ralph Lauren or anything, but they had money for dinners out, movies, pizza, and fun. I was one of the few that worked for my money, but my friends understood when I wanted to save it. Most of them were very conscientious about the fact that their money came from their parents and wanted to be careful with it. It was sometimes hard to “keep up” with nice dinners out every weekend, movies, and shopping expeditions. A fair amount of students had cars on campus; most of them had the hand-me-downs from their parents, but they were hand-me-down Saabs, Volvos, and the like.</p>

<p>I think that some of this is geographic; Boston takes a lot of pride in not flaunting wealth. The (subtle) indicators of wealth in the Boston area are your ZIP code, if your kid went to a prep school, and where you vacation over the summer. Sales people who are used to looking at women’s shoes to gauge their wealth have to learn to re-adjust in Boston, where everyone wears “serviceable” shoes. </p>

<p>At my law school, things are a different story. A lot of the students wear Ralph Lauren, Nantucket Reds, or other “status” clothes. Lot of Vineyard Vines and seersucker. There is also a very strong contingent of students who don’t come from good families but who put themselves through school. My school gives good merit aid and is relatively inexpensive, so we get a lot of economic diversity. More of the extremes though - the wealthy who flaunt their wealth and those who work for everything. </p>

<p>I grew up with middle-class values - don’t talk about money, don’t spend frivolously on clothes, drive a car until it dies, buy things once and take good care of them - so the “new rich” values are just odd to me. When I read NorthStarMom’s posts about not knowing that her friends were wealthy and saw Pip-Pip’s comment, I thought, “Yes, that’s old money!” The new money has the new cars, the new clothes, and everything is very in-your-face. Old money, regardless of whether or not its left, is frugal - sometimes even more frugal than middle-class people. They know that they don’t need the status symbols. Those “symbols” are a lot more subtle; it’s a manners issue and an issue of how you keep things. I could not put it better than it was put in “Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil,” in which someone said to the main character, upon seeing his house, “You’re from old money.” Response, “No, I’m not.” Reply: “Yes, you are. Look at that horsehair chair. It’s falling apart and needs to be reupholstered. Old money keeps it that way. New money fixes it immediately.”</p>

<p>Long story short - what kind of “money” are you around? Maybe it’s just me, but being “new money” seems to be very in - being discreet about wealth is a thing of the past. Which is sad, because it makes it harder on the kids without the cash.</p>

<p>“Sales people who are used to looking at women’s shoes to gauge their wealth have to learn to re-adjust in Boston, where everyone wears “serviceable” shoes.”</p>

<p>Above a certain age, the size of the stones in the rings works way better.</p>

<p>There have always been those who flaunt their wealth (Paul Allen, Hearst (San Simeon) for example) and those who don’t (Bill Gates and Warren Buffett spring readily to mind). Some people draw their inspiration from such excellent examples as Paris Hilton… others from their grandmother. It’s not old money/new money, it’s personal taste.</p>

<p>Aries"</p>

<p>You must have missed the Boston Globe article last weekend which claimed that new money is edging out old money in Boston and that conspicuous consumption is on the rise.
Unfortunately, I have gotten to the age where serviceable shoes have become necessary. I don’t think that Jimmy Choo caters to women like me. Never mind, I hate shopping and have no wish to impress the sales staff of snooty boutiques.</p>