What has the support experience been like from your high school?

Our situation was pretty awful.

At our school, at the end of my student’s 10th grade year, the college counselor planned to retire (this was announced at beginning of 10th grade). At the start of 11th grade…the school still hadn’t hired for the position yet.

So in the fall of 11th grade I made a school list with my student, and figured out the merit money process, worked out a plan for a testing schedule, classes, mapped out tasks for the year, etc. And I checked with the principal about the timeline for hiring a new CC and I was assured it was a priority.

But in the spring of 11th grade…there still wasn’t a CC. My student and I visited colleges, and we talked about who he would ask for recommendations; he asked those teachers in May of 11th grade if they would be open to writing his recommendations, and he let them know that he would likely be applying ED and talked to them about that timeline.

When school resumed in the fall for 12th grade, there still wasn’t a college counselor on staff, and we were told the principal would be writing the CC letters. This is a small school and she knew the students very well, and had also been my student’s advisor for 9th-11th grade. So having her write the letter was appropriate and I knew it would be done well, yet I also knew how busy she was, and I was not encouraged by the fact that the school had neglected to hire a CC after all this time.

Early September I conferred with another family at the school (our students were the top of the class and their student was also applying ED that fall); we were both dismayed and not at all confident at this point that application materials from the school were going to be submitted in time. Together we asked to read the school report, received it and noted with alarm that the description of the curriculum was from pre-Covid, and the curriculum had gone through notable changes since then. Us three parents insisted on a meeting with the principal early in September and urgently insisted that the school report be updated to be accurate as to what our students had been doing the past three years.

(The curriculum was very different, content and yearly themes, as well as all the classes; this wasn’t something that was just a shade different.)

My student also formally requested his recommendation letters the first week of September, and gave his recommendation teachers and the principal a copy of his essay along with his CV, and he finished his Common App halfway through the month. And then we waited. And waited. We were assured that the deadlines would be met, and the school report and the CC letter and transcript were finally submitted on the day ED was due.

No one ever read his essay at the school; when other families began panicking mid-fall of 12th grade about college applications, and asking the school about timelines for applying to college, it was a mess—having had no college counseling at all in 11th grade, there were many families that didn’t realize that starting to think about any of this in October or November of 12th grade is a set up for stress and rapidly closing doors.

So, in mid November of 12th grade the school hastily added an essay writing day at lunch time for 3 weeks; no other support or advice on how to fill out the Common App or make a list. It was too little, too late; I fielded quite a few phone calls from parents asking me questions, and my student and his friend who also applied ED were helping their friends at lunch and after school. Just an absolute mess.

The school hired a CC for the following year; I’ve heard they’re great. I still receive the school newsletters, and I’ve seen that they have college information sessions starting now in 10th grade, and they welcome 9th grade families to sit in on those fall information evenings, too. It’s formalized, I see that they have benchmarks for each year of high school, and I’m glad for those families and students to have support and structure.

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*** Advising on what colleges to apply to. Advising on the college application process in general.**
Pretty non-existent. School was inundated with lots of at-risk students so the focus was more on getting students to graduate high school versus preparing them for life after high school. Counselor learned a lot from S24 applying to highly selective schools. Unfamiliar with the CSS profile, “meets needs”, EA, ED…
For me it felt like the blind leading the blind.

*** Securing Letters of Recommendation.**
On the flip side, because it is a smaller school, letters of recommendation were very easy to obtain. Teachers were very accommodating with respect to writing multiple letters to suit scholarship applications vs school applications.

*** Submitting documents to schools in a timely manner.**
With a population of under 500 (about a hundred seniors) and maybe only 20 students applying to college, they were timely in uploading recommendations and transcripts. Counselors and teachers were very accessible. Just limited by a lack of knowledge in applying to colleges that require more than a form filled out. Case in point, a teacher who had been working for more than 30 years said that mine was their first student accepted to an Ivy.

*** Support when something went wrong.**
Definitely felt supported but as mentioned, counselor, S24, and myself were learning all of this for the first time. And frankly, we were fueled by ignorance in as far as not really knowing if anything went wrong. LOL

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Large public school, around 90% of grads go on to 4-year college from high school and sends a number of students to top colleges every year. Had D19 and currently have C26 there. Biggest difference between the two kids has been the school starting a dedicated college counseling office.
Differences in counseling between the two: D19 had a brief meeting with her general counselor to discuss colleges she had already shortlisted. C26 will get a dedicated 1:1 session to discuss college and they will draw up a recommended list of safeties, targets and reaches based on that (this process (starts 2nd semester junior year as they are focusing on seniors now). All junior year English classes will have college app personal essay as an assignment during 2nd semester with feedback from both English teachers and college counselor. D19 did this on her own (well, we hired an external counselor as we are immigrants and she had no dedicated resource at school, but from the school perspective she was on her own)
There was a noticeable difference between the college counseling presentation we got as junior parents in D19’s year and this year - the new office is clearly much closer to the action.

Letters of rec etc all went with smoothly with D19, I expect that would continue. There were no issues but I imagine having a dedicated college counseling office now would be an advantage in addressing anything that may come up.

To add: we have a bunch (somewhere over 100 total) of college visits to the school a year, at this time of year (I think they started a week or two back). I don’t remember that with D19 but it may have happened without us (parents) being told. Juniors are allowed a maximum of 2 appointments, seniors unlimited as it is more focused on them.

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Private Catholic College Prep and the support has been as described by @TonyGrace @NiceUnparticularMan and @momofboiler1

The counselor assigned to our student has a Calendly where students may schedule as many 1:1 meetings as they need/want. Additionally, they have a drop-in center and available walk-in hours on school off days. They can work on an application with a counselor if they want to. Unlimited reviews to essays.

As for the list of colleges, they advise on how to make a first list, then go over that list and suggest schools to add and might event add some to the list themselves for consideration. Help narrowing it down as well. Counselors recommend having 3 schools in each of the buckets: safety, reach, and likely.

For context, S25 is at a public high school with enrollment of 2180 total students, 490 in current senior class. Last year’s senior class had 73% of students go to 4 year colleges, 15% go to technical/community/junior colleges, 12% entered the military or workforce.

The school has five counselors for students, with one additional counselor dedicated to families and students facing crisis or urgent circumstances. They also just hired a dedicated college counselor this year, which will be most welcome. At the very least, it can’t possibly make things worse.

Academic advising from the high school counselors has been sporadic and, to be blunt, unhelpful. S25 has met with three different counselors since he started at the school, and each time the counselors had no idea who he was or what he as capable of or what to encourage him to aspire to.

The counseling department offered a senior session for parents to be invited to, so I went last week. S25 and I both filled out questionnaires, with him writing paragraphs to answer the questions about his character and what he wanted to do, and me writing a letter of recommendation.

The counselor hadn’t read any of the materials before our meeting, she had never seen my son before, she had never looked over his past academic record. It was such a waste of time, both in terms of us preparing for the meeting and her not preparing, as well as the actual time spent face-to-face with the counselor.

At no point has the high school offered advice on what colleges to apply to. They offer college rep visits, but are not good about advertising them or giving teachers incentive to promote them.

So in terms of academic support, the high school has been disappointing. And maybe that’s because it has a significant wealthy population that can pay for private academic support, either for classes or for college application advising. Maybe that will change with the new dedicated college counselor.

In terms of crisis support, I know the main student assistant counselor directly offers connections with immediate resources: housing for students and their parents escaping domestic violence situations, utility payments for students and families facing unusual circumstances, food and personal hygiene items weekly available and boxes of supplies over holiday breaks.

It is what it is, and I think the public school is doing what it can under duress. And at the same time, there are systems and counselors in place that are operating under antiquated ideas of how they should work.

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Does the new college counseling office and do the college application essay assignments tend to focus heavily on in-state public universities, or a more varied set of colleges?

Our school does not have a specific college essay assignment but the 11th grade curriculum has two essays where they have to reflect and write about themselves. It’s a good exercise and not uncommon for students to base their personal statement on one of those essays. The CCs also like to read them as it’s a great way to get a sense of who the students view themselves.

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I’ve seen some people on CC say it’s usually done in one of the AP English classes (I forget which), I guess our counselor thought well why not everyone?

My understanding this was for the personal essay that is on the common app, so not aimed at any colleges.

We are a Bay Area high school that has tended to send 15-20% to UC campuses (we seem to punch well above our weight with Cal and seem to perform roughly in line with averages in the others), about 10% to Cal States (who I believe don’t require essays), about 10% to California privates, and the remainder out of state privates and publics, so I imagine there is no overarching angle towards a particular type of school.

Possibly. Everyone takes AP Lang in 11th grade at our school.

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