"What I wish I had known"

Phew! The college search, application, and selection process is all over for me and I am absolutely stoked to be attending a school that fits me to a T–New College of Florida–in the fall. Here’s what I have learned and wish I had known:

-Apply early! Many schools have non-binding Early Action programs that allow you to apply early (usually in November) and receive an admission decision early (usually in January/February). I applied EA to all the schools on my list that offered the option. I think it is a great way to show your organization and readiness, and admit rates are usually higher for those who apply EA.

-On Early Decision: only apply to a school ED if you are 100% sure you want to go there and very nearly 100% sure you can afford to do so. It is a binding agreement. I very nearly applied to a school ED that I later decided wasn’t the absolute best fit for me. I’m very glad that I decided to wait to apply there Regular Decision. Don’t apply ED anywhere without doing some serious soul searching first.

-A safety school is not a school that you’re pretty sure you’ll get into. A safety school is a school that you are almost certain you’ll get into based on 1) a whole lot of precedent (i.e. you know many people who were accepted with stats similar to or beneath yours) or 2) numbers you have found from a reputable source (i.e. the school’s Common Data Set). A safety school is also a school that you are 100% certain you can afford and a school that you would, if it came down to it, enjoy attending. My safety school was The Evergreen State College, a wonderful, quirky public college in my home state (Washington) with a 94% acceptance rate.

-Find the Common Data Sets for the schools on your list. They are a truly invaluable resource. There’s a list of them on CC and you can find them on your colleges’ websites if you search for “Common Data Set,” “Institutional Data,” or sometimes “Fact Book.” It was really helpful for me to see the SAT and ACT score ranges and the other statistics that each school puts out–it gave me a really good idea of where I stood stats-wise with my schools. Keep in mind that at many colleges admissions are getting more selective by the year, though.

-Apply to your state’s flagship. I really regret crossing The University of Washington off of my list. Although it wasn’t what I was looking for–I wanted (and found!) a small, quirky, intellectually intense liberal arts college–I really regret not having had it as an option, especially when some financial game-changers cropped up and I started to doubt whether or not I would be sufficiently challenged at my safety.

-Take both the SAT and the SAT–and take them twice. The SAT and the ACT are very different tests–the SAT is more of an aptitude test and the ACT is more of an achievement test. The SAT has trick questions; the ACT has a Science section. The essays also ask very different things of you. There’s really no way of knowing what test you’ll score higher on, so I think it’s prudent to take them both. You may come out with scores that are equivalent to one another like me, but hey–no harm done! I think it’s best to take each test twice as well to increase your familiarity with the test and with testing procedures. While the PSAT, the PLAN, and at-home practice tests are very helpful, they aren’t the real deal and you won’t be in the same mindset while taking them. I chose to take the SAT and the ACT cold the first time just to see how I did but I regret that–I think I could have done a lot better on the math section had I allowed myself more study time.

-If you can’t visit a school, do the next best thing. Whether it’s for financial reasons or you’re just too busy, it sometimes isn’t feasible to visit every school on your list. If you can’t, it is still in your best interest to attend a information session in your area or schedule an interview with a visiting admissions counselor. These events typically happen in the fall, so make sure you plan for them early. You can also schedule an interview with an alumnus in your area, but it is my understanding that these interviews sometimes hold less weight. You can also email your admissions counselor saying that while you are unfortunately unable to visit, you want to express interest in the school–then ask them some thoughtful questions about the school.

-Dialogue with your parents about finances and dialogue with a financial planner too. Make sure you know where you stand so you won’t have any surprises. My family unfortunately ran into a big surprise: our EFC was 40k, not 20-25k as we had expected. It ended up working out alright due to merit aid (phew!), but I wish we would have seen that coming. A few really great schools got crossed right off my list because, while I was accepted, we could not afford them at all.

-Check out Loren Pope’s “Colleges that Change Lives.” It’s chock full of hidden gems that you might want to check out. I found this book after I had sent in my applications, but four out of the seven colleges I applied to ended up being in this book!

-Be genuine. Trying to read admissions counselors’ minds is (unless you’re a Jedi or something) totally futile. You’re not going to be able to know what they want you to say in an interview or what they want to read in your essay, so give them what you have: your honest-to-Ra self. That’s probably what they’re looking for anyway. You want to attend a school that’s a good fit for you. Part of their job is determining how good of a fit you are for the school. If things line up, they line up. And if they don’t, they don’t.

-Take everything you’re told with a grain of salt. Resources like CC are great, but the college admissions game is ever-changing and incredibly complex–you really have to figure things out for yourself.

-Don’t get wrapped up in rankings. They aren’t definitive. They are imperfectly formulated. They should influence you very little.

-Don’t take rejections personally. Admissions officers are in the business of creating classes. I see it as being very much like the casting of a play: there can only be one person playing each role (okay, so there can be multiple people from a certain geographic region or with the same career intent, but it’s limited) and the entire cast has to be cohesive. It’s a puzzle, and if you don’t fit into it at a particular institution, that’s okay. Getting rejected from a college does not strip you of your knowledge, your ability, or your ingenuity–you know you possess those things. Move forward. They haven’t rejected you, they have rejected a few pieces of paper with your name on it for their particular college for this particular admissions cycle.

only apply to a school ED if you are 100% sure you want to go there and very nearly 100% sure you can afford to do so

Except that if you’re asking for financial aid, you can decline an ED financial aid offer that is insufficient to support attendance and be released from the commitment. Schools like non-wealthy top students to apply to their “dream school” ED.

Don’t apply ea unless you’re sure your essays are the best they’ll be. I seriously think my poopy essays in scea at Yale are what got me rejected (my only rejection out of 34 acceptances.)

Sent from my SPH-D710 using CC

How about:

Don’t apply unless you’re sure your essays are the best they’ll be.

:slight_smile:

@vonlost

Very true. If money’s going to be an issue or a large deciding factor for a family, waiting to compare financial aid packages may be the best option, though. Of course, that has to be weighed against the edge that ED gives an applicant as well.

Have fun at New College, Lalala! I graduated there in the '80s. Great place, so rarely mentioned. (ps, for tuition it was $500 a semester then)

LolToasty–34 applications? Anything to say about this in hindsight?

I guess if anything I would have probably looked at a more diverse range of schools versus those that we had interest in because the sport we persue. While we were successful in our applications at two tier one schools, they basically were retty stingy when in came to ,funds/fundng sources for minority undergraduate education. State/Research University offered more money, more diversity among the student body/academic program and being the best at her sport year in and year out proved more of hook. So prestigous degree from a tier-one graduate school probably means a little more than the same degree at the undergraduate level…so instead of 55K per year I’ll spend about 6K…

This sounds so obvious, but research the schools you apply to before you actually apply. With the common app, it can be so tempting to just add another school to your list–especially if they don’t require supplemental essays. I wound up applying (and later interviewing for) quite a few schools that really were not a good match for me at all, something I would have known if I applied for the right reasons. A huge waste of time and money!

ranking matters more than gpa. so if you’re from a tough private school, be prepared to be severely disappointed if your gpa was unlucky enough to be one percent away from whatever cutoff and puts you behind numerous others who took easier courses and are ahead of you due to unweighted rankings.

just a personal grudge i have against my school, i guess. i had more extracurricular involvement than the top students in our class, the teachers who wrote my recommendations have been particularly favorable towards me for a while, and my essays sincere, yet i was rejected to three quarters of my schools.

but regardless of grduges, it is important for those in elite private/boarding schools to recognize that the tough academic setting makes it that much more challenging to stay afloat in college admissions in the long run.

Couldn’t agree more about SAT’s, and better yet, in ONE sitting! Don’t know why, but it seems to catch admiss. attention more often!

APPLY EARLY TO BE CONSIDERED FOR MERIT SCHOLARSHIPS!!! My valedictorian son completely missed this. Most schools want you to apply by NOVEMBER 1ST to be considered for merit-based scholarships - some even earlier like UNC by October 15th.

AFTER YOU’VE BEEN ACCEPTED, GO BACK AND ASK FOR MORE MONEY. Don’t be proud, be frugal and graduate with as little debt as possible. This advice is especially true if you are an excellent student - they want you and they will work with you.

Remember to start working on your applications early - like early August before you get bogged down with school. Ask early for teacher and guidance recommendations.

Apply Early Action or early decision to Ivy’s - and remember they don’t give merit based scholarships, only in financial aid based on need. Look at the stats for early applicants - the acceptace rate is much better than if you wait until regular decision.

Keyword: EARLY!

I wish I had worked harder to find something to set me apart from other candidates. I feel like I wrote strong essays and had a lot of ECs under my belt, a 1510 SAT, 34 ACT, 4.54 GPA (high at my school), 600+ volunteer hours, leadership positions galore, membership in every honor society… But what made me quirky? I think that’s what my applications were lacking. As competition for admission gets harder each year, I wished I’d presented myself in a way that made me memorable and unique. I know I did a great job in HS, but there were thousands of other candidates just like me. (I still am ending up at a highly ranked private university, but was rejected from 2 Ivies.) :slight_smile:

Read this article: [J.D</a>. Rothman: Why Your Brilliant Child Didn’t Get Into The Ivies](<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>Why Your Brilliant Child Didn't Get Into The Ivies | HuffPost Life). Also dont’ be afraid to drudge some some awful circumstance in your life. I think college admissions departments love the “disadvantaged”. Don’t use it as an excuse or be a martyr just discusss how it made you grow as a person. Although my D did get into her dream school (USC though first as a spring admit then bumped to fall) and several others (UCSD, UCI, U of IL, Marquette). She did not get into UCLA, UCB and Stanford (clearly a reach). I really think she suffers the curse of the “bright well-rounded kid” as discussed in the article. Also, go interview if they offer and if you know you will interview well. I think that was the main reason she got into USC.

At the beginning of junior year, choose two classes in contrasting subject areas to REALLY focus, work hard, and–I hate to say this–kiss up to the teacher in. This will allow you to surely obtain solid letters of recommendation and will also improve your grades!

Always visit a few colleges during your junior year! Do NOT push it off! You want to establish a list of 6-10 colleges if you can.

If you’re a female, I highly recommend looking into the opportunity of going to a woman’s college. Most of them have wonderful academic reputations (the Sisters, Scripps, Mills, etc.) and have much higher acceptance rates because they draw a self-selected group of applicants. Do not let the high acceptance rates or the perceived lack of boys scare you away–they are a great opportunity!

Don’t pick a school because for a specific program or major unless you are 100% that is what you’ll want to study. You’ll most likely change your major over the next four years.

Go where you will be happy. The point of college is not to come out with the fanciest name-brand degree. If you’re happy, then you’re already a success.

This is mostly for parents:

Top secrets we learned:

Attending info sessions, creating a log in as a prospective student, and participating in prospective student and applicant “chats” definitely does matter for some schools. Knowing about the school beforehand also helps, since at one info session, the rep tossed out some esoteric questions about the school that our daughter answered based on visiting, and she “won” a mug from the school. When they gave her the mug, they took down her name and dob. The rep outright told us that they looked at this type of participation in their recruitment efforts as “interest” and that it did count in their admit decisions (probably to increase yield?).

All college info sessions sound the same after the fourth one. You can get most of the info off the website. Tours give more of a flavor of the school, but you still see the great exercise facility, blue lights, emphasis on good works in the community at almost all tours. However, taking photos on the tour (drop them in a folder for that school immediately after the visit (they will all start to look alike), and making a “grading sheet” for your student to evaluate the school as you go or immediately after the visit helps keep the initial impression fresh in their minds later when it comes time to actually apply or accept an offer. We have such a sheet (1-5 ranking for each item on her priority list) if you want to pm me.

Don’t think of it as reaches, matches, safeties. Think of it as a bunch of schools your child would love to go to. Emphasize the great qualities of all the schools, rather than the top ones. Do not let anyone talk down the less exclusive schools to your child, and do not engage in the “you can do better than State U” talk. State U is a great school too.

If your child will be engaging in a major that requires an advanced degree, think about the total undergrad/grad picture. For humanities, it may be better to save the money for the graduate program at a prestigious and expensive school. For sciences, it may be better to select a great (any maybe more expensive) undergrad program, because grad school programs have more options for student support in the sciences than in the humanities. What you want to avoid is a big bill for each. Along these lines, the time to have the discussion about who will fund any graduate program is BEFORE you start the undergrad program. Students who realize they may only get four years of financial help from parents may make different decisions about taking on debt for themselves.

Advice:

-Understand what matters for your child in a college. We had our daughter rank priorities from a list of features we jointly generated. Do not try to influence this list until you have actually gone on school visits (priorities often change after the student sees what colleges are really like). If being at a college that looks like Hogwarts is super important, don’t start an argument about why this is a ridiculous criteria, even though you know it is. You will only alienate her from listening to your other advice later.

-Don’t try to limit fantasies about “dream schools” in Freshman year (unless you know that the school offers no merit based aid and you know you cannot afford the cost)

-Start school visits during Sophomore year for schools out of state, if you are considering out of state. Spring break vacations can be combined with looking at schools in a geographic region. Have visits done before Senior year begins

-Do your own research. If your child likes School X that costs 60K, see if there is another less expensive school that is very similar that she might like as much. For us, Vassar was the dream, but Cornell and Holy Cross also passed the Hogwarts criteria. If you need merit aid, make sure she applies to at least a few schools that do offer it. Just in case those accepts come back from Dreamschool but without any financial aid package.

-If your own “gut” says your child will not really be happy at Dreamschool, bite your tongue. (you are probably right, but maybe she won’t get in there, or financial aid will fall below need. If you bite that tongue, she will not feel you are “just saying that because you don’t think I will get in.”) You will deal with that AFTER April 1.

-If you can afford to have your child attend Dreamschool, do have her apply ED. It WILL enhance her odds of being accepted, all other things being equal. The accept rates are higher with ED for almost all schools. If you aren’t sure if you can afford or will depend on financial aid to be able to attend, ED may be a really stressful and negative process.

-Talk up all the positive features of match and reach schools that match priorities of your child, but do this in small doses across the year.

-When the acceptances and rejections come, do some type of ceremonial rejection of the rejections (burning ceremony, etc) and then let them never be mentioned again. Do not engage in the “Why did I not get in to Dreamschool? What is wrong with me? Why did Julie’s cousin get in, my SATs are higher” discussion or hypothesis session. It is hard. Logic won’t work, comforting won’t work. Just don’t try. Get rid of it. It is not worth your time to try to figure it out. It is the school’s loss in many cases.

-Once the decision is made, be at peace. If it was based on the poor financial aid package, do not feel guilty. Your child will be fine at whatever school she attends.

Our daughter was not admitted to DreamSchool, and decided to go to Holy Cross. I was secretly relieved because I did not feel she would fit well at Vassar or her second choice, but I still felt a little bad for her. However, after we attended the Gateways orientation program, I knew absolutely in my heart that Holy Cross was the perfect school for her. During the closing program for the orientation, the Chaplain actually said “We know that for some of you, this was not your first choice. But whether you are here because it is your dream school, because your parents came here, because you didn’t get into Harvard, or didn’t get enough financial aid from Boston College, know that you are here because this is the right school for you. It is part of God’s plan for you.” She was right.

In the end, like previous posters, I think that students can be happy and successful at just about any school. Good Luck!!

A few tips:

<ol>
<li>There is a difference between liking the tour of a school and liking a school. Also, you may find that you like the first schools you tour more than your last ones. Keep this in mind while applying to colleges (especially for ED and SCEA).</li>
<li>It is not substantially easier to get into Yale’s engineering school than Art & Sciences, even though it has a relatively lousy engineering program.</li>
<li>Apply to schools that you don’t think you will get in (if you like them, of course). I thought that Stanford was impossible to get into, but it turns out that they use a random number generator to decide who gets accepted from the Midwest (not really, but it seems that way).</li>
<li>Don’t apply to BS/MD programs unless if you have really good amount of medical or volunteering experiences (especially for higher level BS/MD programs).</li>
<li>Don’t trust financial aid calculators. Duke said they would give me 10k+ in grants, but they didn’t give me a single penny. I guess there isn’t really a solution to this problem though.</li>
<li>Finish your essays ASAP</li>
</ol>

I was lucky enough to have had a very successful admissions proccess. I applied Early Decision to Columbia University (Columbia College), and Early Action to the University of Chicago and was accepted by both schools.

There are people who were rejected from both schools that had both a higher GPA and SAT score than I did. The numbers in your application are emphasized in publications about college admissions because they allow for quantification and analysis. They are hard data, and we all love hard data. Remember, however, that the passion you express in your essay, the fervor with which you participate in class, and the clarity with which you display your love for an extracurricular activities are unbelievably important. Prove to colleges that you are passionate about learning, and you will find success.

just thought of this. I would recommend setting up an email address for your child to use just for college correspondence. You and your child should both have the password for this. Preferably do this before your child takes the PSAT and SAT. Make sure it is a “normal” email address (e.g. not kooldude417). Your child should not use it for anything else. It will fill up with email from colleges, collegeboard, etc. Your child will not have time to read it all because he will be doing all the other things needed to get into college, but you should scan it periodically for actual emails regarding missing application pieces, scholarship opportunities, etc. You would be surprised. My daughter missed several opportunities because she had everything come into the email address she used for everything else, and she overlooked a few.

What I wish I had known was to find a better balance between studying and all my other activitied. Disciplining myself with the right time I think would have meant an easier time for grades as well more time for myself.
I also wish I had invested in a little more preparation for the SAT, like really push myself in dedicating the time and effort.
I also wish that I started things in general early, to help me come to better decisions.