What is a deal breaker when picking a college?

But are they coed golf balls?

Gender neutral golf balls

Aren’t Toto toilets the ones that wash and air dry your heinie when you’re done?

I’ve heard Wash U is having them installed. Still not enough to let my daughter go to school in Missouri.

Oh look, one dealbreaker trumps another dealbreaker.

I will say this in a deliberate effort to completely jump the shark on the subject of toilets.

Obviously no one here has lived with a group of large 20 year old male athletes who each plow through 5,000 to 6,000 Calories of food a day. If you had, you would be very mindful of the brand of toilets used and their flushing power.

When they put in the new water conserving low flush toilets, I swear I thought they were going to have to call in a hazmat team and have the entire dorm declared an EPA Superfund site.

@al2simon:
On a serious note, are there any brand-models that have done well in your testing and that you can recommend?

^^ I guess I deserved that :slight_smile:

In the early days of low-water-use toilets, the most powerful flushes came from the tankless ones (commonly used in public restroom situations) and the pressure-tank ones (commonly used in residential situations to avoid sudden changes in temperature of shower water due to 1.6 gallons of cold water suddenly being used to flush a toilet*). These basically used water line pressure to flush the toilet and could handle the output of a vegetarian athlete (i.e. high calorie, high fiber diet) better than the usual gravity flush models. The pressure-tank ones were somewhat less reliable due to leaks in the pressure tanks.

*Some college dorms had tankless toilets. When using the shower, one would expect the water temperature to change when hearing a toilet flush.

This thread is pooping out

They have toto toilets in google headquarters stalls. Just sayin’

^Did you google that?

For my daughter:

The colleges that would not be in her or my list are the ones that are…

  1. ... too conservative or religious - Wont be a cultural fit. I know her. She would be miserable for 4 years or end up in verbal arguments or fistfights
  2. ... have very low graduation rates - You go to college to get an education. If you do not have 80%+ of the kids graduating on time, it is not a good reflection of what the university provides to the kids. Chances are the faculty and administration at such colleges is substandard
  3. ... with very low acceptance SAT/GPA stats - Wont challenge her as much. She is better off competing and being prepared for the real world instead of getting dragged down by average peers
  4. ... are too much fun with too big a sports/party scene - You go to college for a degree, not to lose yourself in fun
  5. ... or no fun at all - some colleges are great academically but they would not give her a full life experience even if she did somehow get admitted. no one wants a stressed out kid
  6. ... with too many budget cuts - she would end up in pointless 800 student classes taught by TAs and minimal interaction with the professors. thats not education
  7. ... with little merit or financial aid - why bother going to a college that does not invest enough in the brightest kids, when other colleges eagerly court such applicants
  8. ... do not offer her enough creative and extra-curricular outlets - small schools in the middle of nowhere would not give her enough interactions to help her grow
  9. ... no real opportunities to do research or go into academic deep dives - a degree is not just about classes and grades. if there is no chance to do meaningful research it is just a factory

Very few schools are perfect in every regard but this is my shortlisting methodology as a parent

@khanam your points number 8 and 9 are sure to draw fire. First, the small colleges in the middle of nowhere offer myriad things to keep kids busy, particularly those situated in areas with excellent outdoor prospects. And if anything, because of the small student body, kids end up forming deeply enriching relationships with both peers and professors. Which brings me to point 9. You say your daughter wants to research and go deeply into her field. The LACS are the best places for that, because they focus on undergrads. Therefore, undergrads have opportunities to do research with top professors in their fields. The bigger universities offer very limited research opportunities at undergrad level. Unless you actually made a point of visiting and researching the “small schools in the middle of nowhere” your claims are not justified.

@Lindagaf No you misunderstood me, the small LACs are absolutely fine - she applied to 5 of them but chose them very carefully - they are all highly research focused - the ones that are not acceptable are the ones that are just too physically isolated from a major town and other activities. I am thinking of Bennington College for example. Nice college but it is too rural. Or Colgate. I am sure they have good academics but only interacting with your peers is not enough. Colleges like Smith are great - small and vibrant college, but a part of a college consortium. in a town that is not too small and with a lot of research prospects. We visited 4 small LACs and she applied to all of them. So small is not the issue. Its being simultaneously small and isolated.

“dragged down by average kids”-ouch.

Most of the world is “average”; that’s an awfully big tribe to poop all over.

Only about 82 colleges (generally highly selective ones) have four year graduation rates >= 80%, according to http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/highest-grad-rate/page+4 . Does this mean that you consider all other colleges to be “substandard”?

Once again, this is an example of not separating the treatment effect (the effect of the college on the student’s chance of on-time graduation) from the selection effect (the effect of the characteristics of students on the college’s on-time graduation percentage). It is rather likely that the latter is the dominant factor, so that attempts to estimate the treatment effect on chance of on-time graduation of choosing a particular college needs to consider the graduation rates relative to expectation based on the selection of students.

I guess I am just not that picky. My only true deal breakers are safety and affordability.

@khanam given your criteria for your daughter, I am wondering what colleges will satisfy her or you, except the few that have acceptance rates in single digits. And they offer no merit aid, so I hope you can get financial aid. And are you aware that even the Ivies have classes taught by TAs?

I have just seen your response. I am curious as to what colleges she applied to. Are they at the top of USNWR? Good luck to your daughter.

Yes, I also thought the list was probably mutually exclusive in some ways, resulting in a very narrow slice of colleges (and maybe no safeties that the parent would approve of).

I would consider it as a strong negative factor, but not a deal breaker.

I have teenage boys. Let’s just say the plumber HIGHLY recommended “The Viper.” (And apparently it’s a space-saver too, so you can squeeze even more coeds into the john).
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/01/builders-show-gerber-s-viper-toilet-saves-water-and-space/index.htm