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<p>Please say you didn’t just mean that. Nothing was stolen from anyone. It will make me very sad if you actually believe that…</p>
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<p>Sharpton most explicitly, others more obliquely.</p>
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<p>You mean like, for example, if they stole it by refusing to count the votes in Florida?</p>
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<p>Why do you think Clinton supporters are so angry?</p>
<p>Alas … I do. I’ve been bitter for years that the Supreme Court ultimately had to elect our president for us–and they chose BUSH. … Allow me to cling to my belief, however wrong-headed you think it may be; after all this time, I’m still feeling the pain.</p>
<p>pmrlcomm - if not stolen, gifted.</p>
<p>I feel like that AFLAC duck during the Yogi Berra commercial.</p>
<p>I think it will be impossible to find an unbiased, non-partisan accounting of the 2000 election:</p>
<p>[QandO:</a> The Persistant Myth of the Stolen Election](<a href=“http://qando.net/archives/004158.htm]QandO:”>http://qando.net/archives/004158.htm)</p>
<p>[The</a> New York Times: Florida Recount](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/recount/]The”>The New York Times: Florida Recount)</p>
<p>[FactCheck.org:</a> When the votes were recounted in Florida, who won the 2000 presidential election?](<a href=“http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/when_the_votes_were_recounted_in_florida.html]FactCheck.org:”>http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/when_the_votes_were_recounted_in_florida.html)</p>
<p>Sharpton. … Why am I not surprised? </p>
<p>Florida didn’t play by the rules in 2008, however dumb those rules may be. It was absolutely wrong what the DNC did, stripping Florida and Michigan of their delegates. I thought it was incredibly stupid at the time, and I still do. But that was the rule and Hillary had agreed in advance to play by it. … Don’t get me wrong, idad. I’ve always liked Hillary Clinton, very much, and I would have supported her quite happily if she’d been the nominee. I was, however, getting a little weary of this dynastic thing we have going on here–Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. … Ridiculous.</p>
<p>The DNC rules called for stripping Florida of half its delegates, just like the RNC.</p>
<p>Two Obama supporters, Donna Brazille and member of rules committee from New York, introduced a resolution to change the rules midstream and strip Florida of all its delegates. So, let’s not talk about “playing by the rules”.</p>
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<p>Nope. I’ve already stated that I believe there are people who genuinely and vehemently disagree with Obama on the issues alone, and therefore, will not vote for him. But I stand behind my belief that there are others who, knowing that it is no longer sociologically acceptable to be openly racist, will hide their bigotry behind any excuse to disqualify Obama’s candidacy that they can latch onto. These are the people who will deny that race was the bottom line “until the cows come home”. And these same people, would not vote for Colin Powell either, despite the fact that he is a Republican. They will have to find plausible, non-racist rationalizations for disqualifying his candidacy, too. Since you’re not that kind of person, I fail to see why you are so offended.</p>
<p>Of course I don’t believe that “anyone who doesn’t vote for Obama is a racist”. How completely absurd is that?! I’ve already said there are people who won’t vote for Obama because they disagree with his politics. I don’t know what else you want me to say. But it’s equally absurd to deny that racism, albeit in a generally much more subtle form, is still very much alive in America today. Then again, if you’re never the target of subtle racism, it’s really is quite easy to become oblivious to it’s existence.</p>
<p>I didn’t say you specifically. I’m speaking in broad generalities. If there are no voting abnormalities or anything else and Obama loses. What will be blamed for it? I’m not saying there is no racism at play. I’m saying that is what will be blamed whether it is true or not.</p>
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<p>I’m sorry,bz, but that makes absolutely no sense. The argument was that the only reason black people are supporting Obama is because he is black. Hondu just demonstrated that to be patently false. </p>
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<p>What, in the name of all historical evidence, do you rest such a statement upon? When have black people, who since the early 60’s have voted overwhelmingly Democratic, been inclined to support a black Republican over a Democrat of any stripe? If Barack Obama carried water for the Republican Party as its nominee, espousing essentially the policies of the past administration, and showing the Republican Party’s typical indifference to issues most effecting the poor, you had better believe that, not only would he not garner any significant percentage of black votes, but he would be roundly condemned by most of the black community, much in the same why blacks condemn Clarence Thomas and men like Ward Connerly.</p>
<p>ph - can you please define the term “Uncle Tom” for me?</p>
<p>I want to make sure my arguments are not based on false interpretations.</p>
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<p>Bz, a cursory browse of the internet will yield an amazing variety of opinions as to the definition of “Uncle Tom”. But my understanding of the term has always been: Any black male (Aunt Jemima, if female) who is willing to betray his own ultimate best interests, and that of his race in order to ingratiate himself to whites who regard him and his like as inferior, and lacking in any worth aside from that which may be exploited. It usually entails being an obsequious and self-deprecating toad whose loyalties are always totally misplaced.</p>
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<p>I’m sorry bz, but you lost me there. What arguments are you referring to?</p>
<p>ph - I was referring to any future arguments I might make.</p>
<p>Thank your for your interpretation of the expression.</p>
<p>Do you think the AfAm community would consider Clarence Thomas or Michael Steele to be “Uncle Toms”?</p>
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<p>I can think of only a couple things that are as disgusting as referring to a black American as an “Uncle Tom”. For any reason.</p>
<p>Wishful thinking on my part.
Bush, while in Bangkok, just had to say something about Human Rights in China, “deep concerns”.</p>