<p>Public Business Schools Suck?</p>
<p>Berkely Haas
UMich Ross
UVA McIntyre
UT McCombs
UW SOB
Indiana Kelley
Minnesota Carlson</p>
<p>Are those schools not good or something?</p>
<p>^^^^With plenty more you didnt mention</p>
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<p>I’m still backing by my analysis. People go to business school to avoid learning things. It really is a game of “how many rich people can i surround myself with?” That’s really the only thing that matters in the end. Qualities that make you successful in the business world (being a good planner, being persuasive) aren’t things that you can really learn in school. There isn’t much of a reason to judge on academic merit, because academics are not the reason why people go to business school.</p>
<p>re: being judged on how rich its students are</p>
<p>How well-connected you are is a function of how rich your parents are. It isn’t the only variable, but it is a very important one.</p>
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<p>OK, I see the point that UMichigan, Berkeley, UCLA, and other such schools are quite the exceptional cases. People choose these * all the time* over private schools, and we’re talking some of the most qualified applicants. I also see that many times, if one pays a good sum of money, it may not be a total waste, and a pretty good education may result. But why are we arguing this? After all, I do not, with due respect, see how judging a school by tuition is any more useful than judging it by random ranking websites. When one is looking for a good school, one must talk to others, visit the school, and/or research the programs on the website to really find out about it anyway.</p>
<p>There are some great schools that charge no tuition (Olin, Cooper Union) and others that charge lower tuition (Rice). There are plenty of awful private colleges that charge an arm and a leg.</p>
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<p>in-staters with a 3.0 don’t get in lol, so all in-staters go for free until they lose HOPE :D</p>
<p>private schools are excellent. does NOT mean public schools cannot be excellent.<br>
but the point I’m (along with Kyle555 and mathboy) making is that private schools are generally more excellent. and yes we all know UVA, Umich, etc are great. </p>
<p>oh and consider this
9 out of 10 (in reality I think it’s actually higher) of the nations top-earning CEOs obtained their MBAs from a PRIVATE school. Hmmmm. if that doesn’t say something to you guys, then I don’t know what will.</p>
<p>Agreed, mathboy98. That is why I said a high tution cost is usually ONE sign of an excellent school. </p>
<p>I never said. nor do I believe, you should let sticker price be a determing factor when deciding on a unviersity.</p>
<p>when i go to a school I MAKE IT EXCELLENT.</p>
<p>Maybe I’m the only one here but I would think (and I pretty closed-minded about this, as far as I’m concerned if you disagree with me you’re likely stupid or have your priorties completely wrong) that average starting salary (maybe by majors, you can’t really compare a LAC to an Engineering school) and precent employed after graduation would be what makes a college the best. The one with the highest precent employed and highest average starting salary is the best college, the one with the lowest is the worst.</p>
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<p>Not even close, what about colleges where a large percentage go to grad school?</p>
<p>no, those are just your values</p>
<p>LogicWarrior, disregard them from the employment statistics… Look at the people who go and get a job. Maybe do a seperate ranking for the number/quality of graduate schools people get into from a particular undergrad program. Base the quality of the graduate schools based on the average starting salary and precent employed after graduation.</p>
<p>Collegeboss, so what are your values? No one’s really said anything in this thread except that private schools are best, or highest cost is best, and then people have argued with them.</p>
<p>I would go for quality of the professors. Isn’t it most important to be learning from the top people in your field if you want to become a top person in your field? It’s a way better benchmark than price or how much grads make as a starting salary.</p>
<p>QwertyKey’s metric really only works for vocational majors like business and engineering.</p>
<p>^There are differences between going to grad school because you got into Harvard and going to a lackluster, unfunded MA program in Humanities because you couldn’t find a job.</p>
<p>IMO an excellent college is one that can help set up a student to succeed regardless of what his goals and interests are. Ivies are set up to be very good at this. Schools like Reed might be good at setting students up for grad school (I still want to see where these students are going for grad school) but if a student decides after junior year that they want to get a high paying job because they are done with school, Reed lacks the name and recruiting of other schools to help a student land a lucritive job.</p>
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<p>At times, one may argue that the top person in the field is at such a lofty level that you’d basically have to be a professor yourself to understand what it is that makes the individual’s research “top”. The bigger function of the “top” faculty may be to write one a recommendation letter for grad school, as a top name carries lots of weight, especially if the recommendation is glowing. In terms of math, even people who’ve made it to the best graduate programs in the US needn’t understand the work of many of their professors in the least, because it may be so technically wild that it takes several years of concerted study to get to that level realistically. </p>
<p>I would slightly refine Venkat’s criterion to say a great school is one which lets students who turn out to be a good fit for it succeed. That means, in terms of lucrative job-opportunities, education, graduate school, and the like. After all, Caltech is a great school, and yet would be horrible for someone who’s a total misfit for it.</p>
<p>^I wanted to give a broad definition. Obviously depending on who you are Harvard could be the best place on earth or the worst place on earth. However, when you go about saying why colleges are excelent, I’m hesitent to call a college one of the best if it can’t set you up for any reasonable job (I don’t expect any college to produce you into a fortune 500 CEO by age 25) or can’t give you the tools to get into most grad schools.</p>