What not to do in Italy? Under the radar advice?

<p>OMG, that’s wild about the strikes.</p>

<p>Well, 6/4 was when we were looking at going to Lake Como (being monday, The Last Supper is not open) so if that goes, then we may just have to go shopping in Milan which will simply break DD’s heart. Not. Nothing like a general strike our first full day in Italy.</p>

<p>Oldfort: I’m with you. Wrong side of 50 for adventures in lodging. Fortunately, since I get to make the reservations, I do make sure that it meets my needs :smiley: I do have some Starwood/AmEx points so I will check it out. I had heard about Florence properties being spectacular.</p>

<p>Brera gallery added to the list. 13yo DD fortunately loves Museums and could probably pass college level art 101 by now. DH, not so much.</p>

<p>When looking for good food, try not to eat in restaurants that have a “menu turistico”.</p>

<p>Another hotel, where I have only stayed once but can recommend highly—</p>

<p><a href=“Home Page - Hotel Monna Lisa Firenze”>Home Page - Hotel Monna Lisa Firenze;

<p>The Monna Lisa (that’s right – 2 Ns)</p>

<p>It is right smack dab in the center on Via Borgo Pinti and within a few blocks of some of the best restaurants in Florence. A little too pricey for the likes of me…now days I tend to travel on the cheap. But very charming, large rooms, and lovely hospitality.</p>

<p>my favorite restaurant in Florence ( just 25 feet from the Monna):
be sure and book ahead:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.ristorantelagiostra.com%5B/url%5D”>www.ristorantelagiostra.com</a></p>

<p>I tend to research and book restaurants ahead of time and base my museum visits as to whats closest to my wine soaked lunch. ;)</p>

<p>A terrific and affordable Florence hotel [Hotel</a> Casci](<a href=“http://www.slowtrav.com/italy/hotels/review.asp?n=hotel+casci&s=duomo]Hotel”>http://www.slowtrav.com/italy/hotels/review.asp?n=hotel+casci&s=duomo)</p>

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I have the opposite suggestion. I really liked the Cinque Terre. I didn’t spend much time in the towns but spent most of the time walking the trails from one town to the next and it was spectacular in my opinion with the trail hugging the cliff side. I don’t know that I’d go there just for the towns but I’d definitely go there for the trails and it’s a nice break from seeing museums and buildings. I think there are some boat tours of it as well but haven’t done one of those.</p>

<p>The following indicates that some of the trails are closed and some are open.</p>

<p>[Parco</a> Nazionale Cinque Terre](<a href=“http://www.parconazionale5terre.it/sentieri_parco.asp?id_lingue=2]Parco”>http://www.parconazionale5terre.it/sentieri_parco.asp?id_lingue=2)</p>

<p>Oh great! Lousy food and strikes! We are flying to Naples… Thursday, meeting our son (student teaching near Rome), touring Pompei and Capri, going back to his town for 1 night (Frosinone) then Rome and the Vatican - the Pope on Weds (4 day side trip to Israel from Rome) then heading north to Florence and returning from Milan.</p>

<p>I see a lot of strikes scheduled for May 4,5,7,9,10 but I can’t find a translation. :(</p>

<p>I guess I’ve been lucky in Italy in my restaurant choices. My rules: greet the waiter in what little Italian I know (please, thank you, hello), ask him to teach me words for other things… look for restaurants where the menu is handwritten and posted in the window. Go down back streets. English and Italian on the menu is sort of okay, more than two languages means the food will suck. Ask the waiter to teach you how to say “what’s good tonight?” in Italian and then smile and ask him “what’s good tonight?” in that new Italian. Order what he suggests. (IME, that’s how you get the local mushrooms harvested that day.) Drink limoncello after dinner. Ask for the fresh fruit for dessert (for much of the summer, that’s strawberries, then later it’s cherries). </p>

<p>In Venice, walk back into the residential neighborhoods to find the local restaurants, or look for them taking their food deliveries by boat at 7 AM and come back in the evening.</p>

<p>njres—I speak Italian–if you look at the third column, you will get the region affected. I think the only one you really need worry about is a Nazionale or one in the region you will be staying. (for example on 04-05-12 = May 5) there is one in Napoli–but it’s public service. They seem to always be on strike in Naples. They have a huge issue with trash mounting up in the streets.
Toscana= Florence, Lombardia= Milano and Lazio=Roma</p>

<p>I think part of our problem was that we were so focused on museums that we didn’t research the food enough. We thought that would take care of itself. We really enjoyed the museums, the wonderful architecture, the history. I just had this illusion that all the food would be heavenly. Lots of it was just ok. And I’m not that picky.</p>

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<p>That would be May 4th, but the explanation stands. DD-MM-YY is the norm in Europe.</p>

<p>Since your 14-y.o. daughter is with you, I’ll share a memory from when I lived a semester in Florence, back in the day. Perhaps this has changed, perhaps not…but it’s something to know.</p>

<p>When I walked alone in Florence, nobody ever bothered me, night or day. Completely different in Rome! Boys and men followed/pursued midday, even in crowds. They made sounds and remarks, and were hard to shake away.</p>

<p>Since my appearance was unchanged between the two cities, I figured it was just a difference between Northern/Central Italy vs. Southern Italy for unescorted young women. </p>

<p>Tourist tip: if you happen to be in a cab heading towards the western part of Florence (on the way to the Brunelleschi chapel, for example), swing by the Synagogue. I’m told that the outer front doors still show the bulletholes from Nazi machine-gunning. If your D is 14, and studying European history, that might be impressive to remember. If the inside is available to view, it’s beautiful inside, typical of the larger synagogues of Western Europe in major cities. </p>

<p>I would love to return to see all the wonderful artworks of Florence and Rome! Have much fun!</p>

<p>xiggi! woopsie!</p>

<p>In Florence, if you want a cab you cannot hail one from the street.
Step inside a hotel and ask the front desk to call one for you.
Wait inside the lobby and the cab will drive up to the door.
Tip the desk clerk 2 or 3 euros for their help, especially at night.</p>

<p>Some wonderful advice. Thank you.</p>

<p>Musica: Vasari corridor looks fascinating. Looks like the only way to see it now is on a tour (pricy) that includes the Uffizi so probably won’t do it. Don’t want to be herded through the Uffizi on someone else’s schedule.</p>

<p>Monna Lisa looks great. May book it. I’m trying not to be cheap this trip (like I usually am). The older I get, the more I’m inclined to buy comfort and convenience.</p>

<p>I may actually even take some cabs this year (which I’m glad to now know how to catch thanks to Batllo).</p>

<p>Rick Steves has been posting on facebook about Cinque Terre and how they are coping after the floods. He has a 3 part series on it and while I have never been to that part of Italy, I am enjoying the articles. That might help in your decision. I am jealous! My son will be studying in Rome next year and we would love to get back and visit with him.</p>

<p>It can be quite useful to have a reserved seat, as the trains can fill up WAY past the point where there are no seats. And I’m not sure you can reserve seat locations in 2nd class. So we booked first class primarily so we could be assure we would not have to stand up</p>

<p>In Florence you can also catch a taxi at the taxi stands, which you can find at all of the major piazzas. That is, unless there is a taxi strike. ;)</p>

<p>Rome is an utterly astonishing city, filled with fascinating archaeological structures and several excellent museums. The central part of the city is quite walkable. Aside from the obvious (Forum, Colosseum, Pantheon, St. Peter’s basilica, some of the ancient baths, and the Palatine Hill), I highly recommend the Ara Pacis, the Mausoleum of Augustus (essentially a grassy hill–interesting for the contrast with St. Peter’s), and the Capitoline museum–statue of Hercules, bronze of the wolf nursing Romulus and Remus, Marcus Aurelius (I believe) on horseback. I have not seen the Domus Aureus on the Palatine Hill yet, but hope to do that in the future. </p>

<p>I would like to be in Rome when the Antico Caffe Greco is open (i.e., not August). Reportedly Goethe, Keats, Shelley, and Byron all frequented it. The Caffe Sant’Eustachio is also famous. Babington’s Tea Room adjacent to the Spanish Steps holds fond memories for me, because I first visited it immediately after a downpour–it is excellent, but a bit pricey and more English than Italian–still . . . very friendly staff who will quickly start to recognize you. There is also a small gelato and sandwich shop near the Teatro di Marcello, on the street that leads up to the Monument of Victor Emmanuel. You might pass this up as excessively touristy, and it is full of tourists, but the people who run it are exceptionally nice, and the gelato and sandwiches are excellent.</p>

<p>I thought that it was well worth the climb of the dome of St. Peter’s, for the views, both inside and out. You can take an elevator part way up, and then continue on foot. The crypt is also worth seeing–I am inclined to believe that the tomb of St. Peter is in fact there. If this is of interest to you, the Marmorean Prison, near the Forum, is also worth visiting, as is St. Paul’s outside the Walls. I have not been interested in seeing the catacombs any time recently, but there is bus service to that part of the Via Appia (south of the city, as I recall), where you could also visit the church of “Domine, Quo Vadis?” if interested.</p>

<p>I found the Viator half-day or full-day tour deals worthwhile in several cases–particularly at L’Accademia in Florence, in order to see David. This had the advantage of an entertaining and knowledgeable guide, as well as avoiding long lines for entry. The corresponding tour of the Vatican museum might well be worthwhile, too–we experienced a fairly long line, waiting for it. I would not recommend the afternoon Viator tour of the Uffizi museum in Florence as highly, because the time is too short for the number of really interesting paintings in the museum. If you go to the Pitti Palace, I recommend getting <em>all</em> of the tickets before you enter–there are separate admission tickets for different sections of the palace, and I found it annoying to have to go back down quite a few flights of steps to the ticketing area near the entrance, when I didn’t have the complete set.</p>

<p>If you are interested in Roman archaeology, you can take a day trip to Ostia Antica, the old port which is now some miles inland. The ruins there are quite interesting, with tile mosaics, and the overall structure of the port city still quite evident.</p>

<p>To reply to the question, “What not to do in Italy?” My main suggestion is: avoid being pick-pocketed at Termini Station in Rome, if you are there. I was very nearly pick-pocketed by what appeared to be a two-person team, consisting of a man who was very insistent on helping us with our luggage, and a woman who came up from behind, as the man was ahead of us with the luggage. Despite the “help,” I was trailing one suitcase, and pushing one ahead of me, because we had too much luggage for the man to handle by himself. This turned out to be a great advantage, actually. I was bumped from behind by the woman attempting to get through. I turned to indicate that I would move the suitcase in front, so that she could pass, and at that moment, I noticed that the flap of my purse had been lifted, it had been unzipped, and my wallet had been lifted about 40% of the way out of my purse. I would not have believed that this could happen without my noticing it. I looked down at my purse in astonishment, and the woman moved quickly on. Since the attempt didn’t succeed, I am still marveling at the skill with which it was (almost) executed.</p>

<p>Oh–quick addendum–the tracks for the fast trains to Florence from Rome are not announced until about 5 minutes before boarding time. This is an attempt to cut down on pick-pocket activity, but it clearly has not succeeded completely. You may have noticeably less difficulty, since you will be traveling from the north into Rome, rather than leaving from Rome.</p>

<p>Another quick addendum–just noticed that Rome to Venice is on your itinerary. So do watch out in Termini Station. </p>

<p>First class on the trains is worth it, in my opinion.</p>