<p>I’m glad you feel that as a high school student you can make sweeping generalizations about the lives and actions of entire groups of people based on conjecture, and even compare who “has it worse”. </p>
<p>Bottom line, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Try using the search function.</p>
<p>btw, don’t refer to any set of black people as “carlton” again. That’s plain ignorant and paints any point you have to make as equally so.</p>
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<p>kb09026 - I believe I just wrote my reasoning.</p>
<p>Tyler09 - First of all, did you not make a sweeping generalization against high schoolers? Do you believe I am not entitled to free thought and speech, just because I am biologically younger? If you are to pull out out the ‘maturity’ card, this debate is headed in the wrong direction.</p>
<p>Secondly, yes, some will be offended by my attributing a face to a concept. But, race aside, it is completely fair to say that a wealthy person does not face the same challenges as a economically-disadvantaged person.</p>
<p>Lastly you cited [The</a> Widening Racial Scoring Gap on the SAT College Admissions Test](<a href=“http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html]The”>The Widening Racial Scoring Gap on the SAT College Admissions Test) in an earlier post. Yes, academic success and economics do not exactly correlate. But academic success and discipline, hard work, and parental emphasis on education do correlate.</p>
<p>To play the “maturity card”, so what? You weren’t saying that wealthy people did not face the same challenges as an economically disadvantaged person, if you were it would be an asinine observation.</p>
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<p>At which time you made three generalizations: That African Americans are not disadvantaged if they are not poor, that they play the “race card” more than other groups, and that Asian Americans and Middle Easterners have it worse (Implying that there is no reason for African Americans to not be outperforming them). </p>
<p>To all of which I responded that you were making generalizations that you could not support, and that in referring to African Americans who are not poor as “Carltons”, you were refuting your own point, in addition to being immature, hence the “maturity card”. </p>
<p>I think the existence of a thread titled “How do colleges treat ‘carltons’” answers the very question it asks.</p>
<p>This is a college forum, excuse me for speaking in terms of education. If you take this to a another level for the sole reason that you believe I am patronizing a race, it is your mistake.</p>
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<p>I stand firm that people with the same education have the same OPPORTUNITY. What you learn, and how you use it is a personal issue.</p>
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<li>Asian-Americans (Indian included), and Americans of middle eastern descent have it worst in admissions. No argument. You know your stuff, and you cannot deny reverse discrimination.</li>
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<p>admissions into college should be based solely on potential and achievement, and not on race. Why should an African American get into a better college than an Asian just because of their race even if the Asian has just as good or better merit? Bottom line: Affirmative action is wrong.</p>
<p>Because there is no official ranking of colleges which makes one college better than another. </p>
<p>And because “merit” is an arbitrary term based on whatever best meets institutional needs. </p>
<p>That’s why.</p>
<p>do you think if your hawaiian it will help you in the application process?</p>
<p>so what your saying is that it can be disputed that Oakland University is better than Harvard???</p>
<p>Now you are just running out of an argument and avoiding the point</p>
<p>If you are part Hawaiian will this help your chances for admission?</p>
<p>Tyler he is obviously talking about merit in the sense of academic achievement. After all, colleges are academic institutions.</p>
<p>And, about your term ‘institutional needs’. You mean that colleges need added diversity over talent? If there was a purple applicant with horrible credentials, would he be accepted so the school has 1 purple student? You mean that colleges need to add a few percent in their URM’s to make statistics prettier?</p>
<p>From what I have seen so far, only being an Asian won’t boost your chance(crying). I hope it isn’t true though!</p>
<p>Tyler u r obviously just nitpicking on unrelated things because u cant come up with a real argument.</p>
<p>Being part Hawaiian will definitely boost your chances for admission.</p>
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<p>I’ll argue. What is your proof for this statement?</p>
<p>I use to support AA based on race wholeheartedly, but I feel like it’s only fair if it’s based on socio-economic status. Why should someone who’s black or hispanic and at the same income level (or higher) as me and goes to the same high school (or a similar hs), have an edge in admissions? I don’t understand that. It pains me to think that someone could get into a university over me with lower SAT scores, a lower gpa and class rank, less impressive EC’s, etc. just because of race? I studied hard to get the SAT score I have and I worked for my grades. I’m devoted to my EC’s and nothing was ever handed to me in life. If you’re looking at it from a socio-economic standpoint, everyone who has a similar income has the same chance to excel. </p>
<p>This is kind of a bitter rant. I’ll probably support AA in a few months when all is said and done, but currently it’s making me bitter.</p>
<p>That May be true Claire1016, but i was just wondering how my chances of being hawaiian would help me. And i am not from the same socio-economic level, i come from a single parent household who makes less thatn 2ok a yr and my mom passed away when i was 3.</p>
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<p>Are you aware of the QuestBridge program? </p>
<p>[QuestBridge</a> Home Page](<a href=“http://www.questbridge.org/index.html]QuestBridge”>http://www.questbridge.org/index.html)</p>
<p>^I actually did not see your post. It was just a post responding to the thread in general. And the kind of AA I am referring to (that I support) would benefit you. That’s what I was trying to argue for. People whose families make less money or come from a one parent household SHOULD benefit. But a minority whose family is raking in a six figure income shouldn’t, in my opinion.</p>
<p>The problem is that the average hispanic, african american, or Native American makes less than the average white person. Although it is true that if your an African American and your making over 100K you really shouldnt have that much of an advantage. I mean who is more disadvantage? A white person whos family makes 20K or an african american who makes 200K?</p>