<p>When you are rejecting qualified applicants because of the color of their skin and accepting less qualified applicants for their color of their skin that’s racism.</p>
<p>Regents of the University of California v. Bakke</p>
<p>Well if all the other minority races get AA and the Mexicans don’t, isn’t that racism?</p>
<p>actually, hispanics now make up a large percentage of the US. Maybe AA should be handled with respect to the nation, not just college students. Then Hispanics would be a large minority, more than asians I believe.</p>
<p>Do all the other minorities get affirmative action? </p>
<p>Aside to goldenratiophi: good to see you on this thread.</p>
<p>I always thought Native Americans only applied to the ones that the Americans moved to reservations. Are Mayans and Aztecs considered Native Americans or just Mexicans? Thanks</p>
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<p>Now that it’s mid-December, has everyone found a “safety” college that is a sure bet for admission?</p>
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<p>What is “qualifed” though? Preformance on a test that people can’t agree if doing good on it means you do well in college? GPA, which varies from city to city in the way it’s calculated? Course load? Maybe, if every single school offered the same courses.</p>
<p>Court cases have found that applicants were rejected who were in all respects “more qualified” (as the college or professional school itself defined that term) than other applicants who were favored by racial preference plans that were found to be illegal. Of course, this goes back a long time, because at one time many state universities were set up only for white people, as defined by state law.</p>
<p>like there’s rumors everywhere saying how you shouldnt identify your race in the application.
I’m just wondering, say for me, if I state that I’m an Asian in the application, will that increase or hurt my chances of getting in?</p>
<p>any response will be appreciated =)</p>
<p>i find it so ridiculous that i have to apply as white even though im not. im lebanese but theres no spot for any arab or middle eastern or anything.
and i would put other but it says
White (includes middle east, north africa)</p>
<p>isnt it funny how they have a spot for every type of asian but not a single one for middle eastern</p>
<p>good thing theres an essay portion where i can mention that im arab. not only arab, gay too.
talk about diversity
har har har</p>
<p>Middle Easterners have been considered white for quite some time…</p>
<p>It’s nothing to get “offended” about.</p>
<p>haha im not offended but i consider myself a minority yet im applying as part of the majority (for most schools)</p>
<p>which sucks</p>
<p>We are considered not white but Caucasian. Being Lebanese is minority by itself, and I am pretty sure they know where Lebanon is, and what your skin colour is. And you don’t have to put a race anyway.</p>
<p>Wow, that’s bizarre and stupid. Not to mention totally ignorant of the reality of being an Arab or Middle Eastern person in our society.</p>
<p>i guess your last name will give it away anyway</p>
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<p>Don’t be so coy. Everyone knows what qualified is and isn’t. Is there a formula for HYP? No of course not. But when an adcom reads the student’s essays, notes their GPA and SAT score, and looks at their EC’s, it’s ostensibly clear who is and isn’t qualified. Come on. Think about the kids who got into Ivies from your school. Were you really shocked any of them got in? Probaly not b/c despite your quote above, everyone knows who is and isn’t “qualified”.</p>
<p>That’s true. I’m just saying it can get really subjective when someone says Person A with a 2000 SAT score somehow isn’t as good as a person with a person with a 2200. I’ll agree with you on the fact that someone with a 2.0 shouldn’t get into Harvard over a person with a 4.0, but when we start getting into minor differences, it really is a wash.</p>
<p>The difference between a 2000 and 2200 isn’t really minor. The diff between 2100 and 2200 is getting there but still a statistically significant difference. And when you think about it, 100 pts at the top end of the scale (where Ivies get their students) is indicative of one student being able to answer the **few very **difficult questions that require substantially higher reasoning skills than less difficult questions.</p>
<p>So it’s not a wash really. But SAT isn’t everything. When everything is factored in, it’s pretty clear who has the intellectual mojo to warrant an acceptance. Hell, UMich came up with a quantitative formula to rank applicants. So if they can do that, we can extrapolate that an objective standard can exist.</p>