<p>We walk in and say our name. We don’t even have to give them our card.</p>
<p>We put the ballot into the machine and we can see it read it. If there is a mistake, you can say so.</p>
<p>ETA: Oh, and voter fraud is a problem in chicago, and it always has been.</p>
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This is true but it’s funny to see it spelled out like that, in a strange sort of way.</p>
<p>“ETA: Oh, and voter fraud is a problem in chicago, and it always has been.”</p>
<p>Fraud stemming from the political parties, not the voters.</p>
<p>“So emilybee, do you value voting LESS than all the activities where you must provide ID?”</p>
<p>No, I actually value it more in that I can walk into my precinct, sign the book with my name and go vote - which it how it should be in a democracy such as ours which values individual freedoms and the right to exercise one’s vote.</p>
<p>The problem in Chicago is the “right” to excercise other people’s votes FOR them.</p>
<p>part of the reason for this is the lack of ID. I see the point of making it as easy as possible for people to vote.</p>
<p>But, if you already have to register to vote, which you do, why, then, can’t you get an ID?</p>
<p>You can’t just walk in somewhere and say, “I want to vote.” There is a deadline beyond which you cannot register for an election. I mean, there is already a barrier, and I don’t see why that registration cannot includea picture ID. FWIW</p>
<p>What if you walked into your precinct to vote and saw that somebody else had voted in your name? </p>
<p>Yes, there are other ways that elections can be rigged. “Lost” ballots, voting machines thrown in the Chicago River (1960), LBJ won his first election through voter fraud by having a crony steal a ballot box. </p>
<p>But people would have more confidence in the validity of the outcome if there were some ID required at voting and if the registration process wasn’t so slipshod.</p>
<p>The lack of ID allows political parties to bus people around to precincts to vote multiple times. It happens.</p>
<p>“I don’t see why that registration cannot include a picture ID.”</p>
<p>Me either. Show up at the polling place, give them your name, and up comes your file … with picture. Simple application.</p>
<p>"The lack of ID allows political parties to bus people around to precincts to vote multiple times. It happens. "</p>
<p>Do you have proof of this? Please cite with reputable sources if you do.</p>
<p>“None of the students voting in local elections care about what is going on at the local schools. how much should be spent on municipal employees benefits, whether our public library should open on Sundays, etc. Why should they vote here when they have no idea what is going on, nor do they ever get involved.”</p>
<p>Why would I, as a student care about what is going on back home, in a place where I may never live again? I expect my DS to be a member of his community when he goes to college. He will pay taxes there, he will volunteer with other residents, shop in local stores and utilize the municipal services. </p>
<p>Living for many years in a college town I saw students vote for referendums (especially taxes) that they wouldn’t have to pay, but neither would all the other renters in the town. But the students did vote for the local reps that spoke for their interests. They needed a say on the council because of the various regulation that our city council would pass that directly affected their lives. It was simply about representation. Also, many students DID care about the public schools and libraries because they utilized them, like any other resident. Clearly not all students felt like they were a part of the local community, but those that did voted.</p>
<p>[Policy</a> Brief on the Truth About “Voter Fraud” | Brennan Center for Justice](<a href=“http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/]Policy”>Policy Brief on the Truth About "Voter Fraud" | Brennan Center for Justice)</p>
<p>Mizzbee, my son, a freshman at a college in another state from where we lived voted last November. His first time ever voting since he turned 18. </p>
<p>My niece, who was at Kenyon in 2004 was one of the students who stood in line for over 15 hours to vote. None of them left that line, it was so important to them. TPTB in the state of Ohio tried to get them to give up but the kids refused, their parents all over the country urging them not to leave that line. Eventually, around 4 am the next morning they all had finished voting with the State of Ohio promising their votes would be counted. </p>
<p>Kids do care, especially when they know their votes count more in certain states then others. </p>
<p>[Onslaught</a> of Kenyon students voting makes national headlines - News Room - Kenyon College](<a href=“http://www.kenyon.edu/x22499.xml]Onslaught”>http://www.kenyon.edu/x22499.xml)</p>
<p>[Where</a> Theres Smoke Theres Fire 100000 Stolen Votes in Chicago](<a href=“http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2008/04/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-100000-stolen-votes-in-chicago]Where”>http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2008/04/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-100000-stolen-votes-in-chicago)</p>
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<p>This is Chicago. It’s a fact that voter fraud is a problem here. It’s Chicago.</p>
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<p>this was an FBI investigation. (we have them here a lot, along with two governors and multiple representatives currently in prison)</p>
<p>Poetgirl, that is organized voter fraud conducted by the political parties. Imo, there is a big difference between that and who most people believe commit voter fraud (you know, all those illegals showing up at the polls and voting.)</p>
<p>Well, Emily Bee, I know that is organized voter fraud. I also know, if you read the entire article, which was written by an expert in the field and cites many reputable sources, there are cases of recent voter fraud of the same variety in both Wisconsin and in Tennessee.</p>
<p>When I think of voter fraud, I’m not even thinking about people who are not legal citizens of the united states.</p>
<p>But, this is the area I know, and I know that even the grand jury in Chicago, at the time of this investigation recommended thumb prints, which have been utilized in other countries to prevent voter fraud.</p>
<p>Anyway, you wanted sources cited that voters had been bussed to other precincts. Now you have them. </p>
<p>Also, I’m a liberal AND I think we need to issue photo ID at the time of registration, or do what New Hope suggested with the computer picture.</p>
<p><a href=“http://archive.demos.org/pubs/Analysis.pdf[/url]”>http://archive.demos.org/pubs/Analysis.pdf</a></p>
<p>The miniscule amount of voter fraud nationwide of any type does not warrant enacting voter ID laws which do nothing but suppress voter turnout in poor and minority communities, imo, and does nothing at all to prevent voter fraud with absentee ballots - which have been conveniently been left out of the voter ID requirement in states which have passed voter ID laws. Now why do you suppose that is? </p>
<p>Voter ID laws are simply a new version of a poll tax.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/the-myth-of-voter-fraud.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/the-myth-of-voter-fraud.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“Opinion | A Poll Tax by Another Name - The New York Times”>Opinion | A Poll Tax by Another Name - The New York Times;
<p>"…proponents have argued for photo ID mandates by claiming that widespread voter impersonation exists in America, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. While defending its photo ID law before the Supreme Court, Indiana was unable to cite a single instance of actual voter impersonation at any point in its history. Likewise, in Kansas, there were far more reports of U.F.O. sightings than allegations of voter fraud in the past decade. These theories of systematic fraud are really unfounded fears being exploited to threaten the franchise. "</p>
<p>Well, I would assume nobody would want the military service to be disenfranchised.</p>
<p>But, i see no reason that anybody else needs to vote absentee. People can be home one day every two years, or change their residence.</p>
<p>As for the need for ID, I see no reason for it to not be issued at the time and place of registration, or for a picture to be taken, and to be next to the name of the person on the list. I do not see this as the same as a poll tax. </p>
<p>But, your reality and your city may be different than mine, which is why voting and voting regulation is local and locally regulated and locally overseen.</p>
<p>“Well, I would assume nobody would want the military service to be disenfranchised.”</p>
<p>No, but obviously it’s ok to disenfranchise the poor and minorities. Gotcha. </p>
<p>There are ex pats who vote absentee, also. Do you believe they shouldn’t be allowed to vote since they live out of the country? What about people who travel for business? They should have to miss a days work or take a vacation day so they can be allowed to vote?</p>
<p>I have lived in Chicago and voted in Chicago, I also lived and voted in NYC. </p>
<p>Obviously, this conversation will go nowhere as we have very differing opinions, so I’m bowing out of this discussion.</p>
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<p>I resent your implication and your tone.</p>
<p>I’m not stupid, nor do I ever want to disenfranchise the impoverished. But, you know, your condescending tone is unfortunate.</p>
<p>No need to bow out. Carry on.</p>
<p>I’m bored.</p>