<p>Cayuga:</p>
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<p>Cayuga Does this stigma hurt with jobs and grad school?</p>
<p>Yeah Cayuga you can definitely group me with those Liberal Arts Students.</p>
<p>I was almost willing to pay the 20k more/year to go to a LAC just to get that college experience, until I was satisfied that I would get a liberal arts education at Cornell with the class flexibility in ILR.</p>
<p>I took introduction to International Relations, History of Science (Newton to Darwin), Introduction to China, Spanish 209, intro macro micro (arts classes that are actually required for ILR…so not an elective, but non-ILR classes regardless).</p>
<p>The stigma is that it is an “easy major” I would say. It is not really as stigmatized as some majors, but if you are talking to an engineer and you try to complain about your ILR coursework you will probably be laughed at regardless of the truth (which is probably that engineering is sig. harder haha)</p>
<p>Yeah, but in defense engineers probably have the right to look down upon everyone haha. </p>
<p>The more and more I look into it, the major really is what you make of it.</p>
<p>Do any of the ILR vets have any other ILR elective classes to recommend?</p>
<p>I actually think the stigma surrounds some of the students more than the coursework. And it’s both fair and unfair. Some of the students do tend to be boorish, but at the same time some of the most impressive students in the social sciences across the entire university are in ILR.</p>
<p>And the solution to putting engineers in their place is to take an upper-level math course with them. Or else encourage them to take a course with you that requires a 20 page term paper.</p>
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<p>For jobs? No. ILR is respected across many different fields. The only thing I have ever heard about ILR is that Yale Law School doesn’t particularly like it.</p>
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maybe Yale’s concerned that ILR students will organize the Yale workers. (just a joke) Seems that Yale has had its share of labor conflicts as its workers have been on strike numerous times over the years.</p>
<p>also I have seen some cornell action summary reports (think that is what it’s called). Yale Law was never even listed as too few cornell students applied to Yale. The Report usually lists the schools where at least 100 Cornell students applied to . - so maybe it’s a mutual thing between cornell kids and Yale. There’s not too much love on either side.</p>
<p>How true is this rumor that Yale doesn’t like ILR kids…? </p>
<p>My goals have always been attending a T4 law school in the future and I’d be a little disheartened if I found out one of them was just completely unavailable to me. I did notice on the 2007 review report of ILR undergrads that yale was the only T7 law school not attended.</p>
<p>roneald- if your goal is to attend a T-4 school, you need to aim for an LSAT in the 99%. If you can get a 172 or higher, you’d have a good shot at Columbia, NYU , and Chicago. Even with a 174+, no one has a lock on HYS- Though looking at past Action Report Summaries and Harvard- looks like they admit around 10% of those who apply from Cornell. I don’t think there is a breakdown by colleges- though my guess is that ILR has a good chunk of all law school applicants.
i.e- Harvard had 138 Cornell applicants and they accepted 14. That percentage seemed pretty consistent from 2003/2004 Action report summary to latest one I saw 06/07.<br>
as I mentioned before- Yale is not listed on any of the 4 action report summaries. So you just don’t have as many Cornell kids applying to Yale as the other top schools. And Stanford was listed on only one of the reports.<br>
with fair frequency, it seems NYU, Columbia, Georgetown, Cornell, and U Penn get a higher # of Cornell applications than some of the other top law schools.
Yale, Stanford, Northwestern and Chicago have the least amount. I’m basing that info from the 4 action report summaries that were available.</p>
<p>^^ Thanks a lot marny1 that was really helpful.</p>
<p>If you’ve been scouring the Law Forum, you would see that I’ve been doing a lot of research on the matter, and I’m trying to decide when’s the best time for me to take the LSAT, since I need to take both the LSAT and GMAT. I’ve been studying for the LSAT right now and on my last officially timed practice test I got a 168, but I can’t take it this fall because of the 5 year time limit on the test, so I’m going to just continue to study 1/2-1 hr a day and see if I can get my score into the lower-mid 70’s and then take it possibly at the end of sophmore/beginning of junior year. </p>
<p>Marny, did you attend ILR and then law school? It sounds like you have a lot of experience in the field. Do you know if there are any law schools that like ILR kids specifically?</p>
<p>Harvard tends to like ILR students. So does NYU and Georgetown.</p>
<p>Wow, Roneald, already studying for the LSAT and you haven’t even started your freshman year in college? Hats off my friend. And 168 is a great start; my older brother TAUGHT the LSAT for Princeton Review and he only managed a 168 when he finally took it. He was really disappointed but he got into a top 25 law school, nonetheless.</p>
<p>I know of at least three ILRies who went to Harvard Law School from my graduating class-- there could be more I’m not aware of. A friend of mine is in a class at HLS where the Prof refers to the ILR students as “the Cornell Three,” since they already knew the material and have been at the top of the class. Ironically there’s a fourth student from Cornell Arts & Sciences who wasn’t counted in the so-called “Cornell Three.” It’s kind of a funny anecdote-- of course you can’t be sure you’ll get into HLS out of ILR or any program, but that’s still a good representation. I also know of someone who turned down Yale Law School for Harvard from ILR, so it’s certainly possible to get into Yale as well. </p>
<p>As Cayuga mentioned, my ILR chums are doing just fine. In addition to himself (and those he mentioned), they’re doing: PhDs at Penn (Education), MIT (Econ @ Sloan), and Princeton (in History); Masters at Cornell, Stanford, and Harvard Business School; Law School at Harvard, Columbia, and Penn; and jobs at Deloitte, Goldman (HR), McKinsey, Coca Cola (HR), Proctor & Gamble, and the labor movement. A few also followed their BFs and GFs, and so had to put their careers on hold, but for my five-or-so other ILR chums, if they’re not in school or working on their career it was their conscious decision. </p>
<p>Also, I’d echo my impression that maybe 30% of ILR is more academic/liberal artsy at heart, but they’re probably not as visible on the ILR-“scene” as much as those who are focused on good careers. I think this 30% finds satisfaction in research, out-of-college electives (or a few ripe ILR ones), or study abroad.</p>
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<p>Ron- my d is an ILR grad- she’s working for a labor union and will probably apply to law school in the fall. Though I did have copies of the Action Reports, I never looked that carefully at them, but I did notice that Yale and Northwestern were not on any of the available reports- so my assumption was that those schools were not as popular with Cornell kids as some of the other comparable Law schools.<br>
Just enjoy Cornell- you have plenty of time to prepare for the LSAT’s /GMAT. I’d give it a rest for two years and then get serious about the tests in your junior year- or end of sophomore year at the earliest. You’re gonna burn out, if you start preparing this early.
As my kid didn’t want the LSAT’s to interfere with her study abroad semester, she took it in Dec. of her junior year. She studied during that period of august-dec. and she thought that the 4 month period was just a bit too much.</p>
<p>I’ve heard Harvard Law likes ILR too- but I think my kids LSAT score is a bit too low for Harvard-</p>
<p>Mhmm can anyone explain why it seems as though ILR kids don’t like Yale/Stanford that much?</p>
<p>FYI- the Action Reports are for the entire university. not just ILR. so it appears that less cornell students apply to Y, S, and Chicago than the remaining T-6-(harvard, columbia, NYU).<br>
It may just be that Boston and NYC sound more appealing than New Haven or Palo Alto (or wherever the heck standford is).</p>
<p>For some reason I could never understand why Cornell doesn’t have more of a draw/attraction to Chicago and the Midwest. It is the most Midwestern and Big-10ish of the Ivies.</p>
<p>On the business school front, where are students getting into business school, after ILR? Also, why is the 5 year ILR Johnson MBA program on the ILR website, but at Cornell Days, kids were discouraged during info sessions to apply for it? Why advertise it at all if hardly anyone ever gets accepted to it? How is it a selling point for the ILR school?</p>